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no kidding. The Browns benching was an odd celebration.

So silly. Payton and Carrol and McVay and Nagy and Reich have all lost crucial games and lost in the divisional round or earlier. By your definition a good coach has to win the Superbowl Everytime they make the playoffs. God forbid they win a lot of games. That just puts them in another line if other coaches.. that win a lot lol

yes the QB is the most important one player. I don't see how you're drawing the conclusion that we already know and there's lots of data out there that skill position players don't make a difference. QB's have their best years when they have their best skill position players: Brady w Moss, Brees w Kamara & Michael Thomas, Brady w Edelman & Sony Michel, Foles w Alshon. I mean we just spent the whole season complaining JA doesn't have the skill position players he needs. Which is it? Quarterbacks like throwing to guys that can get open and make catches. It's football, a team sport. Losing all-pros at any non-QB position still makes you worse. Are you saying the Steelers are going to be better?

true. Giants can't get much worse. Now they can't get much better either. Now the Steelers.. have a lot to lose. We'll see how valuable all-pro skill position players are. I think Bell's absence directly caused them to miss the playoffs.. handicapped them to the point where they were fighting for a spot with or without Brown. We'll see how JuJu does with double teams, and how James Connor holds up health wise. Somehow he's more injury prone than a 5 year running back averaging 400 carries a season. He's a great RB in his own right though. Albeit the position has very little depth Giants will remain a team that sucks balls. Steelers will become one lol.

This article is a pretty good feel good piece. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/13/18263367/leveon-bell-new-york-jets-gamble-new-contract-steelers-holdout Tldr: he got what he wanted. And he will be ridiculed for not getting all the money he could have. But he burned his own money willingly and did it for a reason. It's his money to earn and lose. Really no reason for ripping him over what any financial advisor will recommend to someone in a very precarious profession. Sorry Bell is fiscally responsible. Or that that seems to irk people for some dumb reason. I see zero character problems with what went down. How many rookie holdouts do we see over the most frivolous things? Like Joey Bosa with the Chargers. This held much more weight

Bell's stated it was 17 mil guaranteed from 1 year but whatever.. either way, he just didn't want that kind of contract.

Steelers and Giants are going to suck balls without their all-pro players.

That's literally all Bell wanted. This is twice as much as the Steelers guaranteed. We're ripping him for taking this contract but the Jets got a great deal since the Steelers offer such little guarantees and Bell got a reduced contract with more guaranteed. He said a million times he wanted more guaranteed money. Steelers policy is to give guarantees only in signing bonus.. like 15M for Bell. It's more guaranteed, so he lost money but ultimately got what he really wanted. More importantly, Jets got out of this with a phenomenal contract compared to what was expected.. which ain't good. They got the best FA in the market on a great deal. At least the Dolphins are tanking. the Jets/Bills rebuild race should be fun. Praying we come out on top down the road.. and the Patriots are old and decrepit. He'll do wonders keeping defenses honest for Darnold as a carrier.. not to mention his ability in the passing game as a safety blanket.

I was a bit facetious just concerning the other thread saying Brandon Beane was Billy Beane. but getting great value with data metrics for players is great and smart for any league in any system obviously. but the Oakland A's had to do that with like an 8th the salary of other teams. Moneyball is about never overpaying if value doesn't meet the performance. Everything you said yeah. If every team pays the same money on a pool of players that's pretty much impossible in a salary cap. You pay more than Mitch Morse is worth because you have the money to do it to fit a need lol. And you know you're still conserving cap. Billy Beane is worried about saving actual $$$. He wouldn't have paid for Morse. He gets some dude you've never heard of that no team wants for vet minimum.. and he never gets close to the NFL cap.. we'd have to be way ahead of the curve doing that for virtually no reason because we do have a cap! If we were the Oakland A's actually using their system we wouldn't have signed any FA's. Moneyball was made for a league without a salary cap. It's specifically a term for Billy Beane's method. Data analytics to find value in an NFL systmen is different. They don't call NBA analytics moneyball. They name it Moryball because it's a different philosophy for basketball.. under a cap.. initiated by Daryl Morey. So I'm completely nitpicking the comparison. It's like moneyball.. but it's not. We can coin it Brandon ball or whatever.. but the economics doesn't make sense if FAs are available to every team trying to spend the same amount of money.

Cause we're playing moneyball babeee.... (IN A SALARY CAPPED LEAGUE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE FOR MONEYBALL)

Not quite how I've interpreted the year 3 thing. I'm not looking for peak years at 3 from guys that have already broken out. Mostly talking about sleepers. So no breakouts. A guy that's just totally overlooked because he's had bad production years 1 and 2. So high value / ceiling guys on the cheap.. I'm looking at 3rd year WRs that have underperformed so far because they're undervalued yet that's when they're most likely to break out if at all. So I don't look for sleepers as guys that have already broken out before (they're not necessarily sleepers), or haven't broken out at 3 (they're not likely to break out ever). My understanding is essentially a guy is most likely to break out years 1-3 and that the breakout becomes much less likely after. So I look at guys that haven't broken out and are at year 3. If they break out, I have my low investment sleeper return. Not looking for any peak performance at year 3, just breakout at 3 when people aren't valuing the dude after 2 years. I do agree that people make the statement that the peak hits at 3, which isn't true or helpful really, whereas i think fantasy value ties more to catching a breakout when it's most likely: a player that hasn't broken out hitting year 3 is very likely to break out that year (provided if he ever is to be productive) than for the rest of his career. Ultimately tying back to Zay he's had such high usage you could argue he broke out last year. He's not some fantasy case where he's simply finally getting a shot on the depth chart. But if he's going to have a great career.. I wouldn't rule it out until this next year. Then his career trajectory should be much more clear. So I'd keep him around for that fact and that he's on a rookie contract and really hasn't shown the skills I thought he was supposed to have from the college level. If it's the same by year 4 I'm pretty iffy going forward with him. Anyways sounds like you actually may be right on your hot take with our 2 WR signings already.. but I'd keep him if we have enough roster spots lol.

I thought the point of building a strong lockerroom / culture McBeane preaches about ad nauseum is precisely to get these people. To be confident we can do better with talent than teams with weaker lockerrooms. We always say "oh the Patriots will totally get that lockerroom poison to shape up and be productive yet again" Is that not the point of building an established culture to take on these sort of players and get their best value other lockerrooms that lack the prerequisite foundation couldn't?

And their first of course. I'd pull the trigger yeah. But ours would involve our 9th overall, or.. idk who cares. I'd definitely do something similar, hard to beat that package but I would. I'd make the trade. But I'd have rather just paid AB with less picks like I said. I'd have done either one. Just want to see JA with a weapon along with the WR depth.. Brown/Foster are a lot more dangerous when a dude across from them is drawing doubles.

And I didn't realize how good the line was. Joel Bitonio, Zeitler OGs and Greg Robinson at tackle. Great on paper. Add in if they're high picks on D turn out: Ogbah, Sheldon Richardson, Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward

Oof I'd love to have the Cleveland roster right now good Lord that's some fantasy football rosterbaiting. High price to trade for him, I'd be hesitant to give up that much myself. Would have rather paid AB than give up a great player and top picks

Have you debunked it somewhere? Just genuinely want to know how that's debunked. Any examples or anything? It's super common in fantasy football is all I'm coming from. The general rule is year 3 is the year you generally can tell a WRs trajectory. So it's not to say he can't hit his potential earlier, rookie or sophomore year.. but it's more that year 3 of poor results is the year a WR likely shows he won't break out.. so fantasy sleepers are often year 3 guys. Year 4 is too many years of poor production. Also it's fantasy so not exactly a reflection on actual development but more a combination of that and the guy getting a larger role in the offense. But have you/some source debunked this on previous posts or are just saying it's debunked. Fantasy football nerds have crunched that WR sleepers are by far year 3 guys. I understand they can be good before. And in Zay's case he's had plenty of usage in 2 years already.

Is he a good starter? Depth signing? Haven't heard of him

That's pretty much impossible to find out. This story itself will be an obscure footnote in a few weeks. He's not a previous starter, but I know Matt Moore explicitly preferred to be a backup.. which I believe was part of the reasons prompting the 1 year Jay Cutler rental when Tannehill was down for a whole year.

he's earning backup money to be a backup. If he flamed out in Miami as a starter he could still be a backup - "making tons of money never having to earn it". I agree being a backup quarterback is sweet. You still earn the money lol.

cause nobody gives a crap about Bridgewater? They're more interested in one of the greatest WRs ever lol

tbf Cowboys fans are DUMB. They think Jason Witten will take them over the top the SB success.. ya know, cause he was always doing that the 15 YEARS he was a Cowboy. Grain of salt. Sounds like he's as good a slot WR as any. Rational Cowboys fans will say that. He under performed with the new OC Scott Linehan as well compared to other points in his career.

Apparently he had the second most yards of separation on his routes to Davante Adams last year. Cowboys fans were annoyed Scott Linehan didn't utilize him more. Talking to Cowboys fans up in my Dallas area and they loved him and now miss him so.. good stuff. Sounds like we got a deal on a WR that was poorly utilized by a new OC. Made his value lower and we bought low. (Relatively to inflated FA prices). I'm more positive about this than I was initially

I'm fine with an overpay for a proven WR that can do what JA needs for him. We might as well overpay on front loaded contracts.. which looks to be our gameplan.

Kroft and Uzomah each got about 6M per. Eifert will certainly get more. I seriously doubt the Bengals TEs were supposed the be the most stacked TE group in the league.. but whatever. Kroft can block well, and we got our safety valve in Beasley in case JA doesn't like using Kroft as his safety pass or the seam routes. I didn't want to invest too much in TE not knowing if JA would utilize it. Their routes and usage are very dependent on QB preference.

He's the WR I most wanted. He's a #1 WR on a few WR poor rosters. And if Foster improves like we expect, we got John Brown as the 1b WR. I love the depth we got here regardless. I'm ambivalent about Cole Beasley but he's got hands and elusiveness.. so improvement too.. It's not hard to improve with most any WRs. I like that we're wising up to getting guys that fit Josh Allen's needs: speed, elusiveness, and hands. Not so much size. Don't really care for Kroft much but whatever. Cole Beasley can serve the safety blanket role and Kroft can block if Allen prefers his slot in the passing game as a safety valve.