Bing Bong

You sir have besmirched the legendary Biggie Smalls. The Notorious B.I.G made timeless jams and shall be enshrined on Mount Rushmore along with Beethoven, Miles Davis, The Beatles, and Elvis Presley. Hip hop allowed Outkast's Hey Ya! to be made. Don't tell me you have not rocked to Hey Ya! played at virtually every wedding you may have attended since 2003 because that is humanly impossible. But Cole likely sucks (EDIT: at rap) don't listen to him. Also there's a special place in Rochester for anyone jinxing Cole on this thread. The key is to reverse jinx. Say to yourself "oh he could get hurt" and he doesn't. The opposite of when commentators praise a player's durability on the very play he sustains a season long injury. Jinxes are a powerful force.

That's a great point. I hardly consider the importance of an iron man since I'm too focused on categorizing players as injury prone / not injury prone.. but considering a durability as great as Cole's is been is a huge deal knowing you have security at position depth in a league where season success is often also a war of attrition. He's a signing I've been clamoring for the last 3 years, but I didn't know about this attribute until now, so this signing has some icing on the cake.

Yea idk why I blew up, sorry. Not worth arguing it is semantics. I wouldn't tell you how to interpret a throw so long as you're measuring the distinction.. but at what point are we just describing that JA needs to be more consistent (accuracy) and accurate (precision). I'd just recommend y'all translate others' use of sports terms to how you like to think about it because neither is wrong.. we're just using synonyms between science and sports terminology. It's like describing a player's "jerk" when it's lumped into acceleration or as best as some people describe it "ability to shift gears". Arguably a 40 time and shuttle at the combine measure jerk more than anything but why are we creating 2 different attributes when acceleration can simply mean both in sports. I mean is it fair to say you also mean consistency? That's all I'm saying. When someone says JA is inaccurate I guarantee they mean precision. And it sounds like you are describing consistency in his precision as Transplant likely debunked the problem is partly precision not accuracy as demonstrated he throws so hard anything not consistently on the money are difficult catches yet accurately still in the catch radius And I'm being a smart *** here: but I'm pretty sure the terms make no sense in the context of sports. The dartboard analogy is.. just that, and analogy to relate an easy to understand sports chart to the measurement of testing and the results. Quarterbacks know they want to hit the middle.. and aim for it. I can't think of a single quarterback that wouldn't be considered highly accurate in this sense as these are professional throwers intentionally aiming at a spot. Some dude building a machine to throw darts would use the terms. Not that I'd know but I highly doubt professional darts enthusiasts use these terms.. but maybe a scientist testing a dart throwing machine would.

I know the difference. It's undergrad physics... Not football terminology.. which is why it pains me to hear JA needs to improve in both precision and accuracy. A basketball player that's accurate yet not precise would shoot consistently at an imaginary basket 4 feet to the left of the real basket and never score a basket. That sounds like a real sports situation.. Unless JA is intentionally trying to miss his WR always 2 feet high we want him to just be more precise. The physics definition of accuracy is not what football coaches mean when they say accuracy. When the layman says accuracy he means both precision and accuracy. Next time you're at a home game with your buds with a beer let me know how many times you guys exclaim "wow! Gee golly that quarterback is simultaneously precise AND accurate!" In laymen's terms we (and analysts, coaches, players, fans, TV announcers) call that accurate. We want Josh Allen to be precise and accurate by the physics terms. He'd suck if he was really bad at either. So why are we going on about the difference and giving physics undergrad lessons with dartboard pictures when we can just drop physics terms and use football terms pertinent to the sport. It is entirely unnecessary to use the technical definition. Use a Webster's dictionary for the meaning in casual language outside of laboratories. The physics terminology is unnecessary because rather than testing radiocarbon dating, we are observing athletes actually try to hit a specific target. So they are inherently accurate in the scientific sense. ac·cu·ra·cy /ˈakyərəsē/ Learn to pronounce noun the quality or state of being correct or precise. "we have confidence in the accuracy of the statistics" synonyms: correctness, precision, exactness, rightness, perfection, validity, unambiguousness, authority, reliability More TECHNICAL the degree to which the result of a measurement, calculation, or specification conforms to the correct value or a standard. plural noun: accuracies "the accuracy of radiocarbon dating"

I agree haha. I probably would even say Wade is the GOAT DC. I don't know my football coaching staff history terribly.. but is Buddy not a top 5 all time defensive mind? I'd imagine even his biggest detractors couldn't reasonably list 5 guys ahead of him. He was great. Historically great when he had historic talent. I've seen to many coaches blow it with great talent not to appreciate one that gets the best out of his guys. Not to mention he still had good years on his leaner rosters. I think he was a great HC overall to boot. Now Rob and Rex don't need to besmirch ole Buddy and drag him down can they? Maybe. Maybe he's bad at coaching up coaches in 2000s football I'll grant that. He raised Rob to be an awful DC. And maybe Rob never had it in him lol. I'd go as far to say best defensive coaches all time go 1. Son of Bum and 2. Buddy

No I completely understand your work here and I know it mitigated a lot of things you said.. of course it can't everything but it's great work. I like it. I'm not referring to the OP exactly just the super tired argument we're getting from semantics like precision vs accuracy as if we're in a physics undergrad course to the scoffing of completion % like the stat means nothing. Completion % speaks to our passing game and is super important clearly. Your work speaks more to JA's ability as much as we can quantify it. They are each important stats.

You can thank me later. Side note, think this can go on the football forum? It's too funny. More just about OJ being narcissist at his finest. Riveting stuff. Keep me posted on the politics Juice

Right. I said as much too. Personally I enjoy because it clearly doesn't matter on the gridiron what PFF thinks. And earning a high ranking begrudgingly from media and NFL pundits alike is much more rewarding than being an underserved preseason darling that usually disappoints. I want PFF to say we're a fluke if we go 5-0 and have to concede and say wow this 8-2 team is damned good let's run playoff seeding projections with this team I just noticed is the real deal. I want us to play our way up there. And the later PFF doesn't give us a shout-out the sweeter it would be when they simply can't ignore us for our play and not some lame preseason undeserved anointment as contender. Otherwise if we're mediocre, screw it. But I've resigned myself to knowing lazy journalism and found a way to make it another fun reason to root for the Bills to pound Patriots at Foxboro.

Yeah I suppose I could reiterate. Accuracy is part of the equation. And it's a complicated equation. And I'll grant that accuracy has diminishing returns.. a truly inaccurate Tim Tebow type player weighs very heavily on the ultimate completion %. Let's say he hits the water cooler 60% of the time. He's making the 2 virtually the same. As you look at better Quarterbacks, a significantly more accurate JA's part in the equation weighs much less as he's giving his guys chances to drop the balls at least, with occasional lapses in his throw himself some downs. And take Drew Brees who hits 70% and his accuracy is so good the completion % pretty much plateaus because no matter how accurate he can be, the human error around him is going to settle at 70% which may be nearly impossible: is this is virtually nothing to do with Brees by this point. What do you think? That make sense? That's why I've contended several times JA may never be the most accurate but he's up there experiencing diminishing returns such that his other attributes can shine and make him stand out since he's not crippling inaccurate to the point that it heavily affects completion %. So I'm fine with seeing him have marginal improvement in pure accuracy but believe his other complimentary skill sets become much more important in getting a productive offense of deep balls, broken plays, and diagnosing defenses to get his completion % and YPA as good as it needs for a win.

Thank you brutha. I'm losing it here with all the talk about why being able to get the ball securely in your WR's mitts doesn't matter. Completion % encompasses EVERYTHING that requires a ball to be pitched.. and caught. And part of that equation is your quarterback hitting the WR's hands. Of course there's other factors affecting completion % other than quarterback play. It doesn't mean we can sit back with a sigh of relief after an incompletion and say "well.. at least Josh Allen ain't inaccurate!". No no no. haha even if it isn't JA's fault how bout we pretend like completing passes matter and get better. Because we're playing a team sport here. I want every part of the equation involving a ball getting caught to improve, including JA's misfires, drops, blown blocking assignment throwaways. I want the ball caught and I want it to happen on more attempts than not.. especially compared to the rest of the league. And how many threads does it take to learn yes completion % =/= accuracy BUT accuracy is a subset of completion percentage!

No I'm saying any poll or review is based on past history. I ain't making the poll. I'm confident where we're going next year and don't give a d*** what the poll says because we're bringing back a similar roster with no splash FAs to make PFF think we're any different in some lazy article. If we want to be percieved as good we oughta out our money where our mouth is. Which we're getting ready to do. Until then we can piss and moan about lazy journalism or recognize lazy journalism needs to see some more Ws in the W/L column to change their minds. Forget about getting insecure validation from lazy journalists and get our validation starting week 1 and going forward. Again how many people are sh***ing on the Browns on this board all off-season? They made flashy signings. They have questionable lockerroom leadership. We're assuming Brown's culture never changes. Goes both ways. What are lazy fans going to say about a Bills roster with not nearly the name recognition the Browns cobbled together. Let's go Bills and throw that chip on our shoulder! Thank you PFF. Are you saying having a losing season should have 0% on our perception the year after? No. I'm not saying having a losing season should be 100% either. Let's just accept PFF's challenge because they shouldn't be using that rationale... But they are brutha.

Getting plenty of airtime on the ESPN SB films. Man was in 2 hella boring SBs, won 1 with the Packers and strip tackles a showboating cowboy in a blowout. Anybody watching SB recaps hears 2 very long Don Beebe stories to fill time since there's not much more story to those SBs.

It's definitely the SB strip fumble. That story / highlight gets told in football every year at somepoint. He's just implanted in people's memory as that guy. Easy to forget the rest. I mean you just watch those old SB videos from ESPN films and you're just going to think about the Packers SB win and the strip fumble. Hard to miss him ESPN films loves that guy... Probably because those were 2 really one sided Superbowls lol. Gotta talk about that scrappy Don fella.

You suck until you don't suck. We up here saying the same thing about the Browns that are getting hyped on paper. Bills and Browns need a really good season to convince the casual fan that the last 20 years aren't indicative of the next year.

It made sense to me Rob ? Eh ya gotta give credit to Buddy Ryan man. That 4-6 was killing it in Philly too, that dude's an all time defensive mind. Of course he had Reggie White I think at that time but ya can't take that defensive dominance away from a coach. Ya can't take away Phil Jackson's 11 NBA championships cause he had MJ and Kobe. Just take a few out.. man still accomplished a lot lol.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying accuracy has diminishing returns. If Josh Allen is as inaccurate as Tim Tebow he won't cut it in this league. The difference in accuracy between Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers with a cannon isn't so bad as the difference between Tim Tebow and Cam Newton. Cam is accurate enough with complimentary skills to excel. And he's not Tim Tebow good lord, Tim couldn't hit the simplest routes throwing outs 4 yards out of bounds. He's accurate enough to make big plays and has tons of other quarterback skills going for him to make him special in his own right. Brett Favre had a cannon, great instincts, and other attributes to make him much more successful than more accurate quarterbacks. As to Josh Allen not being able to magically transform into an accurate passer late in the game, sure he won't.. but he has late game intangibles and an arm to hit routes other quarterbacks can't. I don't care if he's relatively inaccurate to other quarterbacks in the league so long as he can throw a bullet to Foster when it counts. He can go incompletion, incompletion, incompletion, AMAZING TD on a game winning drive. 25% completion oh my! He didn't get magically accurate in that scenario but he's good enough to make the play and get the win. I don't care so long as accuracy isn't an Achilles hill for him. It doesn't limit him from using the hundreds of other quarterback traits that could make him great. I hate talking about Josh Allen by this point, beating every topic to death. Very little has happened to change his NFL accomplishments since his last down, which was several months ago. I liked what I saw last year, and am excited and anxious to see him next year. I think he still is a lot like how he viewed him his rookie year, except he proved his floor is much higher than draft day and his exceptionally high ceiling remains the same.

I want to give him a 3rd year. I could have seen it going down had we targeted WRs in the draft after picking up a lot of FAs but I'm glad we went trenches and potential playmakers at the RB and TE position. Zay's clearly had enough production to merit keeping him on the roster and see improvement. More consistency on the flashes he's shown us so far of what he's capable of, and less mental errors. That all inevitably gets better as a WR matures. Years 3 or 4 we'll truly have a proper evaluation of his abilities in the NFL. Granted we're weak at the position on paper, it's contingent on Foster maintaining how he finished last year and Zay improving. We absolutely needed depth in veterans John Brown and Cole Beasley which is what I wanted to address first and foremost. Don't want to trot out WRs that don't belong on the field like these last 3 years: put a floor on our worst WR, so that Josh Allen can spread the ball around better. JA doesn't have an established weapon which he needs desperately. But we've otherwise adequately addressed many offensive problems we had last year. Maybe the offense still won't be good enough next year, but it won't be as big a liability to go 6-10. Next year I want to see an above average offense and a winning formula based on the defense or offense. It depends on how much Zay improves, which he will to some degree undoubtedly, Foster, and JA. And having proper knowledge of Zay's place in the NFL will give us a good opportunity next offseason to truly beef up the WR corps if needed. I wanted to see him with the Bills in his 3rd year. It would have been disappointing getting rid of him for anything other than a top tier WR like DHop or Julio. I'd rather see Zay's jump in performance next year, than bet on a 2nd round or later rookie's jump into the NFL. Zay's done enough to earn that.

I was gonna post this. Shady really dropped the ball on this one. He's on a short leash. I'll bet McDermott was psyched to see the movie and saw the spoiler from his RB. "Shady. You ruined my weekend. Enjoy these 3rd string reps all off-season" Oh man. Didn't think about Goodell. Hope he saw the premier!

Sure. I mean I'll admit I don't know Jack and am judging on simple probabilities I've formed in my head. We should all know it's a crapshoot for everyone involved. I'm all for rooting for the guy when he gets drafted. However I just dislike the feeling some want to take the moral high ground because they feel great about what the Bills pick ya know? I have my opinion and move on. Now I understand the annoyance when those desperately want to be right are in fact actively rooting against someone just to look smart. But that's not the case for those of us that want to come out with a good draft lol. Post draft opinions are pretty much a clean slate come week 5. Go Bills!

They were bad! I just watch Big12 I know. I'm more unsure about this guy than most.. what do you want from me lol.

It's fun to speculate. That's all it is. Now I know some of y'all went nuts with the wrong Josh right Josh nonsense but this is just armchair GMing. It's fun. Harmless. At the end of the day I'm obviously pulling for these guys. Every year GMs are proven wrong and wrong as well it's a crapshoot. That's what makes it fun to speculate on.

Ok lol you weren't clear. You just asked "such as" when I referred in the past tense to 7th rounders with good production. Idk who's a 7th rounder man it hasn't happened yet. There's like 100+ TEs with more yards. How about Kaden Smith idk. I DON'T CARE we made the pick. I understand why. I see his upside. It would be nice if he had more to make me more sure about the pick that's all. I'm unsure. I don't like being unsure.. at least as unsure as you can possibly be with his production.

Good point. He was a risky pick / high reward in my book that paid off. I wasn't particularly as down on him since the Quarterback position necessitates the highest possible ceiling. Go Dawson Knox. Hitcha ceiling.

He asked me to name a 7th rounder with better production than Dawson Knox. I picked the best one haha. He put up monster numbers. You're damned sure I'd be happy if we drafted that production. I'm just playing the odds.

Haha what. He put up monster numbers. It's a safer bet than projecting out workout warriors. Listen I understand why we like him and why we picked him. I understand why Barkevious Mingo was getting drooled over. It's high risk high return. Hope he works out.