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Is this from something specific and recent or just generally being a lunatic all last year lol

It got bad. Basically 3 years straight of completely ignoring the position. After Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin were long gone we were depleted and stuck with lazy plugins like Jordan Mathews and Kelvin Benjamin. It's been a while since we've witnessed a group that was good let alone at least not such a detriment. So hopefully we have something that's not completely taking away from what everyone else is doing on offense this year.

Or go deep with several WR2's that can consistently win their matchup against opposing secondary's corner with the upside to have outstanding performances. Which I think Robert Foster fits into well right now. Goal for me just is to have the same amount of dominant impact games collectively from the group of less consistent but capable WRs as a WR1 may have. Altogether they can still have the probability of impacting a win as a traditional WR1-3 depth chart dominated by the top guy would. I think that's more difficult to achieve but less expensive. We don't have 3 Robert Fosters so the WR Corp isn't where I want it to be yet but it's finally getting paid attention to and is passable in this league and for young Josh Allen right now IMO... where in past years it most definitely was not. It won't hold the offense back as much but I still want so see the unit be a strength in 2 years or less and be the clear difference maker for a couple of wins.

Yeah I remember it specifically since I watched I with my brother: Packers fan. In between his whining over nothing to do and the commentators joking "well we know the Giants don't have to worry about pulling out any tricks to get important yards on a play. They have the most automatic play to go to given the mismatch they've exploited today." I wanted to mention it because it's not only Plaxico's best impact in winning a close game.. but I've cited this specific performance as one of the best examples of any WR heavily accounting for a playoff win. I know there are more gaudy playoff numbers but Giants limited offense against such a good Packers team makes Plaxico's game one of the best playoff performances by a WR i know. Giants simply wouldn't have been able to move the chains. Point is folks a great WR can bail you out on a playoff run just as much as Von Miller did having a career game in the SB. Every game is tough in a 3-4 game playoff run and someone needs to step up and have a career game in order to play above the team's ability. Because the opponent is likely playing above theirs if they're any threat to win the whole thing. And WRs have shown time and time again that they can pull out the win. As is any case with a team another unit can use that extra game the WR allowed them to have their own transcendent performance. If any Rams player between OL, Cooks, Goff, or Gurley steps up and makes several impactful plays they win. And Cooks was certainly given the opportunity to be in SB lore if he makes any of the tough grabs he got his hands on. CJ Anderson got them there the game before and WR1 Cooks could have finished it with his absolute best. Gilmore simply got the better of him. CB1s are ultra talented themselves and I think you at minimum need a WR1 that can beat at least half the top CBs on every team

Haha and there's also that. How's Vrabel gonna ever get another SB with the most important attribute in coaching is chopped off. Beli's Willy grows after each SB I imagine. And how did you not get censored saying dick? EDIT: Welp it's not censored this changes everything. Limeaid: you're a dick head

Yeah when you divert public outrage and funnel it towards just 2 options to blame, people just turn on each other rather than working together to fix something. Reminds me of Kaep's actual motivation for doing what he did being focused on just 1, maybe 2 specific instances happening just when he has to play a football game getting swept up in a storm of broad misrepresentation. (and I'm not making any comparison to the OP here folks) And conversely a mayor or police chief getting swept up in the blame for something so difficult to rectify. Nobody wants any of this to be happening and it just.. sucks. That's the only way I know how to express it.

Totally uncool. We do not talk about these things in jest. Simply saying this shows Vrabel doesn't have what it takes to be nothing but a loser. Ya need both the superbowl and your johnson intact to ever be among the pantheons of coaches that have won a superbowl with their johnsons.

Perfect. I know you glossed over the Giants SB win intentionally but I have to point out that he single handedly won the Giants Packers NFC Championship game routinely beating Al Harris. I mean he just waxed him. Eli threw bubble routes to Plaxico with no particular need to place the ball and the Packers defense, having had this happen several plays over already, knew the Giants were running the exact same play at least once every set of downs. And Al Harris is just jamming Plaxico.. he's not even worried about a fake for a deep route. Neither is Plaxico nor the viewers or the coaches. Everybody watching that day just saw Plaxico shove Al Harris around like a rag doll as he catches a short bubble screen for at least 5 yards. I mean I don't think I've seen a WR embarrass a CB more than Plaxico did to Al Harris that day. He finished with 11 catches on 13 targets and 151 yards. The 8-8 Giants don't make that miraculous run without Plaxico Burress. Sure teams have won without a WR really factoring in. But you can't say a WR hasn't been a difference maker giving stellar performances in a SB winning team playoff run. While I have everybody's attention and seeing how this thread was locked before I could view it. I'd like to say that this man is my hero.. and no this is not my burner account cause I don't have this unmitigated confidence in me: you guys are some cellar swelling sweaty nerds. All of you lot. @Mooshocker

My complaint is all too often they are not held accountable.. simply because any prosecution is basically a coworker. That's pretty much all I want to see be changed.

I'd like some of the boys in blue a lot more if their dang body cameras don't happen to fall off as often at critical times. And furthermore the bad apples can get very light punishments and it feels like how Seaworld just moves their problem killer whales to another Seaworld. Outside of that of course people on either side of the argument shouldn't have one person's actions represent the group. But there are still some institutional problems that can be fixed IMO. You have the camera footage then maybe so many people wouldn't have to take a side knowing little details.

Haha this doesn't happen often cause we usually have to consider a longer period to draw up dramatically better what-if Bills teams. But a handful of decisions in just 2 years and we'd be partying hard in this board 24/7. I really really wanted to somehow keep Gilmore but golly the size of the contract the Patriots offered definitely gave me pause. They basically did to us what we did to Miami for Charles Clay. And Charles Clay is a fine fellow but that's all I have to say about him. Gilmore went to the next level. Something in that defense insured against his brain farts (allowing blown coverage 60 yard BOMBS) so he was mistake free version Gilmore... which if you had told me Gilmore would almost completely eliminate his blown coverages I'd have outbid Patriots by $5M and lock that down. Man is now a BALLER. Charles Clay on the other hand.. he played TE, he blocked, he ran routes, and he had bad knees. Good guy.

Tre's right. He took some heat here after 2 straight games where he allowed a deep completion on plays where he absolutely smothered the receiver and the ball hit the only spot the WR could make a fantastic catch. He did his job. Made those completions as hard as it could be. Other than improving on PBUs and finding the ball more often and looking for picks the other facets of his game.. Namely sticking to his man like glue.. are straight up there with any of the top CBs in the league. He's tier 1, and I honestly see no undisputed #1 corner in the league like Revis had established so he's tied for best in the league with about 5 other guys for me. Keep on keeping on Tre, brutha. He's a quiet dude. Seems out of character. That's why I like the comment all the more haha. That's digging deep and coming up with his most honest opinion of himself. Straight telling the truth.

^ It's not really that funny. I know. Thought it would be a hit.

I think it's safer personally so long as he picks and chooses his battles. A lot of QB horror stories are just cause they end up giving themselves up far too late for a MLB to nail them. Either go down or out of bounds early enough or finish your run strong. Giving yourself up in the middle of the field without establishing a slide is the last thing and a lot of guys brainfart at that moment.

Legend has it Josh Allen leaped over a monster Viking one day on the gridiron. Sounds like McNair ran downhill then? I imagine there has to be other successful quarterbacks using the rushing option early in the play as sort of a coverage read knowing they can embarrass the spy a la Kiko Alonso. JA went right for him.. cause he knew Kiko was a bad spy generally looking to hit defenseless QBs. McNair might be a strong comp then. I can't think of many great quarterbacks with that rushing style. AND KIKO TURNED HIS BACK BEFORE CONTACT. Fantastic JA. Kiko acted tough when QBs slide right in front of him after the whistle. He certainly was not prepared for a QB, and one of the bigger rushers he's had to tackle in his career, heat seeking him with the truck stick.

Right, Allen's opposite of the spectrum from like.. Fran Tarkenton, yet when we do comps, many successful running quarterbacks we cite based mostly on rushing accolades are more like Fran. Certainly reminds me of Terrell Pryor or Collin Kaepernick but this is interesting.. how many great quarterbacks do you recall having that kind of running style? I don't recall how McNair ran exactly, don't remember what he looked like in his earlier years. He rarely ran at the end.

Yeah we keep bringing up scrambling abilities but I see a difference from Josh Allen's decisive downhill running and most scramblers typically East/West until they see a safe hole. And there's plenty of downhill runners. I thought Favre had that same decisiveness about him. Colin Kaepernick's ability in running and decision to run as well. That's just off the top of my head but I saw Steve Young and John Elway rely on agility and the threat of being able to pass behind the LoS to get rushing yards rather than Josh Allen get his yards by reading the coverage and knowing fairly soon he's just going to bolt past the LoS early in the play. Beyond rushing, I look for what the passes look like as Allen throws the ball on a rope, and Flutie had arm strength but also but a lot of air on his ball.

Welp. Sorry women of upstate NY. You will get your single superstar renaissance man quarterback stud at some point... Unless he's heard about California. Then you might not see your quarterback at the Rochester bars so often. Tyrod came off as shy and a guy that doesn't go out much. Now Fitz.. he's had a midlife crisis since being in Tampa. Watch out ladies.

ooh good one, I've heard that before. Idk comps are useful they're not suggesting talent will be the same, just the style of play, strenghts, weaknesses, tendencies are similar. NBA does it for players every draft they are super fun. It's fun to see a player and think "wow he really does have the same skill set". The HOF ability still translates in NBA. At some point people have similarities they're all throwing a football and very talented. I don't see 1st ballot Hall of famers do many things nobody else can EVER do, just not with as much regularity or as much success.

dang I thought he was single. Idk why but i just think it's hilarious imagining Josh Allen being a womanizer and absolute lady killer just taking a shot at all the upstate NY women he meets. He just seems like such a dork and guy that marries his highschool sweetheart faithfully (so obviously comes off as a nice guy). And in his later years a total dork dad.

Interesting comp. A nice one that doesn't come up a lot in QB comps. I can see some Stabler in him for sure. Does no one see Brett Favre in him? That's been my comp to the tee. I'd have thought it would come up more often. Favre even ran those north south scrambles like Josh does when they'd choose to take off. Favre not as often or as fast, but he ran vertically for solid gains every few games. He definitely dropped the scrambling altogether after like 5 years as a young buck. But his instincts, catching the secondary cheating on an unconventional read with his arm power, leadership, confidence, occasional recklessness, willingness to take off when the defense is off guard, and general unpredictability (in a positive way) in his play all give me Favre vibes. And I strongly disagree with the Steve Young comparisons.. I see nothing to that comp other than running quarterbacks. Completely different style of scrambling too IMO. Elway I can understand. You saying Josh Allen doesn't get any action??

Pass. The architecture is so tacky. I can do way better. I turned down Kate Upton back in the day. She wanted to date me but I can do better.

Should we kick the tires? I mean the cop can't arrest a guy for getting out of his car. Regardless, talent trumps character...sign him

Depends on your definition of a WR1, I'd say conservatively it's a WR that can reasonably compete with the CB1s in the league. I certainly want my wideout to be able to beat the other teams CB1 for some chunk yards just a few times a game. If your WR1 is getting his *** waxed by most of his matchups, like a scrub against prime Revis, in the league we're going to have forced throws to a dude like Kelvin who can't get open, cause several lost downs, likely a pick, take targets from WRs that match up better, all sorts of shenanigans. We need a WR1 better than whoever it was 2 years ago. A certain level of talent is necessary. Past that the better your guy gets is economic, but it certainly becomes a strength that can factor for wins for any given team. I don't think Kurt Warner's Cardinals even win their first playoff game when they made the SB without Larry Fitz. Teams just have strengths in certain position groups, all with unique rosters, and need the strong position groups to have an impact. WR can be one of them and I've seen teams loaded like that be successful. But it just as well could be your OL making the biggest impact. And these groups are where the vast majority of your money is going to go. So as far as salary goes I think every position, including WR, gets paid appropriately for their impact... it's hard to imagine a free market in sports with a salary cap being nothing but ultra efficient. It's a free market, teams are cutthroat competitive, they are all given equal money to spend, they have tons of highly paid staff, and inevitably all 30 teams have jointly determined the worth of a top WR1. And if he's performing to his salary and the teams builds the right roster otherwise with a large contract tied to WR, that team can most definitely be successful. As with any group, you'll be complete crap if the WR position is a true net negative to your team.. which it was 2 years ago. There's a bare minimum you need to hit at OL, LBs, QB whatever to not have them drag your stronger groups to the mud. We had that 2 years ago and it hurt my eyes. It's all about how you use your assets. Some highly paid pieces on a football team are a waste with ill fitting personnel. I think Josh Allen needs speedy WRs, not slow jump ball lugs. Maximize that synergy if the best fit possible is there.. the money's worth it if JA's throwing a Steve Smith Sr type 1400 yards a year.