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Maybe it was Tyrod's throw on run when I tried it. Nerfed his accuracy to beyond physical reality. Although maybe if I'm not using route adjuster the QB is throwing to some non-existent route the play predetermined But when the WR hits the sideline from his crossing and I throw. On the run or set.. I honestly can't tell you where the ball is going to go. I had way too many picks and get so mad. Throwing deeper might be easier

nah I'll have to look into it. I'm assuming you're just getting your WRs to adjust on broken plays, get out of the way, or get somewhere to block? I hate passing on the run with Bill's QBs, I'll have the perfect guy wide open on a broken play and Josh Allen will set his feet, and proceed to throw 5 yards my WR's right straight into a defender. Never do it. Bad quarterbacks just get godawful throwing on the run, even when you stop them and set. I f***ing hate videogame Josh Allen lol

A lot of what you said, split backs formation, wheel routes, rub routes, TE short crossing routes, TE stick, FB Texas route (I don't know what the route really is called. I-Form, he basically runs around the linemen then crosses.. LBs can't reach him in time) I'd probably put Robert Foster in the slot for my four verticals big play. The fast slot guys can burn a cover 2 running that deep crossing route. Tough throw for a bad quarterback, anything other than a tampa cover 2 and even the right pass on that play to the slot could just be thrown terribly by a bad video game Josh Allen right into a zone LB. Bubble screens always scared me but I'll try them more. Charles Clay was dependable so I probably can't do my TE plays as effectively with the Bills. I'm telling you man. This year's gonna be harder than ever with the Madden Bills. I was about .500 with 2015 first year of Rex Bills roster. That was a great Madden roster. But I don't have much in my arsenal so my gimmick plays like these with the Bills will get exposed real quick and at some point in the game I have to start playing a traditional West Coast offense scrambling whenever possible.. which just doesn't work so well with the Bills against some Madden Juggernaut.

I might DM you when Madden 20 releases and you play on PS4 haha. We can do a few Bills v Bills intersquad scrimmages. I have a lot to learn. Rely too much on a handful of routes - RB wheel routes you mentioned.. I use that play, but when you spam it too much it starts to bite you when that gets schemed out of your playbook by.

Yeah I don't think these guys need to be to close, and this is a bit overhyped. I don't want one guy doing a much better job than the other precluding ownership from moving on between one or the other because the have such a good relationship. Good for them to agree on the QB they want to coach / have on the roster, since that does lead to the quarterback being marginalized by one or the other. We've seen that before. Falcons GM was high on Brett Favre, coach didn't want any part of him. If we deem McDermott to be a fantastic coach and Beane to be limiting him then it's not hard to find other good GM's that can get on the same page with the coach in place.. part of what makes a GM good is their ability to be compatible with coaching styles. It's great they get along but this quality should be the norm should we want to upgrade one and not treat them as tethered to the hip. I fear the Pegula's see them as a package deal. It's unorthodox because it's not a good way to go about business. It can go terribly wrong, but sure, you can get away with it. And as I mentioned a lot on this thread, the Pegulas are noobie naive sports owners that may not know how to deal with a regime that is tethered to the hip. May bite us in the long run is my fear. One of McBeane or the other may just be the right guy to establish continuity with.

yea I still think we'd have heard more about it in the national media with the Giants. I mean they're getting blasted for different reasons, but the whole catastrophe would have been covered to the world. Very few NFL teams that get that sort of treatment. Doesn't mean it can't go well. But the optics simply didn't look good for the Pegula's ownership or the Jets ownership.

dude.. that's a crazy good record playing with the Bills. I don't think I can move the ball with this Madden offense but it will be the most gimmicky, ugly offense you'll ever see. Only silver lining is you always have a chance with an athletic QB, and RB's like Shady are huge in Madden. The passing routes are broken sometimes. Sounds like you execute these things way better than me.

That will most certainly be Beane's fall back rhetoric if the season doesn't pan out. Process is still going and he said to trust it. Nope not going to "trust" your indefinitely long "process" Beane, show me results within a reasonable time table.

Or getting worked up over an ESPN power rankings list, but saying this thread is worthless because Madden is silly. IT'S THE SAME THING. Your team is being evaluated by EA or ESPN employees. What is the difference. Now if their point is they don't care about the rankings from any source, EA or sportswriters, then sure, it's absolutely right these have no bearing on the team and wins force these evaluators to give the Bills better rankings. But it's fun. We have ratings for every possible attribute on every Bills player. If PFF released an article claiming they made a formula for the exact same ratings then the board would go nuts about it. How often do ppl complain about a PFF grade lol. These are very comprehensive "grades" by comparison. Just done by EA with the help of scouts. We cry about PFF grades constantly lol. What's the difference. I'm not advocating for crying about any org that evaluates the Bills not to your liking. But I am trying to play with the Bills online and I'm going to get shredded. What'll fix that is roster updates as the Bills tear through the season 8-0

Listen, I hear ya here. And I literally say the exact same thing when we complain about power rankings. Win so much they have to give us better rankings whether they want to or not. To boot, we were godawful just straight up horrible last year.. so in all fairness we need to represent that and have the rating a 6-10 team deserves. But this is a silly Madden game.. which I play.. so I'm going to get crushed in my online rankings this year by the looks of it, given that I always play with the Bills. This is important. Haven't seen them yet but my gameplan is to adopt a passhappy wildcat system from the Ravens and put Josh Allen as QB1 and RB2. Scramble for dear life, pitch to RB1, throw to JA, and basically use JA's speed and ability to really do any position halfway decent. Offense looks tough to work with. And it should be since I'll be playing the Saints, Rams, Pats.

I don't think them being really tight is the end all be all. I'd prefer if they were both really good at their respective jobs (and maybe they are). It should be expected that you get people that can work together so the question is.. what happens if one of them is not as competent as the other? If the team misfires these next few years, I do want to be able to distinguish the respective talent from Beane and McDermott. There could very well be a scenario where one is doing a bangup job, maybe McDermott coaches up a great record with some clear deficiencies in the roster.. maybe Beane gives McDermott a fantastic roster that he can't deliver with. I want them to work well together. I don't want them joined at the hip. I just hope if the Pegulas were to make a major decision to shake things up, they do not sack both and lose a premium talent, keep both and maybe settle for less. I hope they evaluate the two's respective abilities at every level and understand that you absolutely can keep, for example, Beane if he's terrific, and look at available coaches that might be a better fit to maximize what's on the roster. If Beane understands how the GM and coaching staff relationship should work, with mutual respect, then the "I know how to work well with people" quoted here should just as easily be applied to hiring other coaches that meet his low bar for being a easy to work with and could be the key. And that's just an example. Vice versa for coach and GM. Simply the bar for they're easy to work with nature isn't necessarily a rare commodity in the league. But talent certainly is. The process may last several more years. Ya just gotta trust it.

I honestly think if something similar happened in a bigger market.. say, Dallas or Greenbay or Giants. Like everything that happened since the Pegulas take over: make a dubious HC hire that apparently isn't aligned with the GM they left in place, watch the team get Wrexed, replace the dubious (REX RYAN) guy, draft, fire Whaley and the scouting team... THEN they finally make their first hire of a GM, possibly football czar since they know nothing apparently.. This all would have been heavily publicized and criticized as a mess. I mean look at the Lakers FO getting blasted for having no clear hierarchy, rookie owners, and hiring staff in the wrong order.. they've been blasted this Summer for being a tire fire! And tbh honest I still don't know who is in charge. No one has shown me anything that's not speculation to prove who is in the Pegula's ear right now to tell them how sports teams operate. I felt like Whaley was some glorified temporary consultant in his final months, just hanging around because the Pegulas have no idea what they're doing, and didn't want to fire GM and HC and be alone in making the next decision. Thus, Rex got canned, Whaley helps them pick McD, McD helps them replace Whaley with Beane. It's too convoluted. And not that interesting. Just actually start getting W's on the field McBeane and this will sort itself out. Because this relationship won't be so peaches if they don't put a good product on the field.

The Pegulas ownership really confuses me. Rex with Whaley was just odd. I liked Whaley, still think he had the right strategy and made the right move to gamble exactly when he did. Unfortunately he blew it on EJ, got his defense Wreckxed Ryaned, but I still think that was the perfect time to push your chips in. I like these guys even better. But they still need to win for me to really give credit. They appear to be on the same wavelength, can dumpster dive for great talent on bargains, especially the secondary. And they pushed their chips in at the right time of the rebuild for Josh Allen. He looks like the best raw talent I've seen in a Bills QB for 2 decades. The McBeane era is a cohesive entity, so I don't see them getting Wrexed... And Josh Allen obviously looks like a far superior pick to EJ. So the main factors that felled Whaley don't seem to be in place now. But I truly don't know the pecking order in the organization and how much of what I like from McBeane is Beane or McDermott. The Pegulas really just seem to be super unaware of how professional sports organizations are ran and hopefully are picking it up. No one here has really given me definitive answers on which guy in McBeane is the most trusted or biggest influence on them. I get that they wanted to make their first hires for the regime, but I'd like one of the guys to have an influence, establish some continuity as part football czar, and make sure the Pegula's know what they're doing. The transition to McBeane since the Pegulas got the team was one of the ugliest ways to assemble a FO. If this happened to a bigger market team it would have been more publicized.

LEEEEEETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

Tre White's dancing. DJ drop the GIF.

Probably to fall back on reasons to boast we got the right quarterback even if we do poorly. Basically feels like a big motivation on the board this offseason.. proving who drafted the right quarterback in 2018. Josh Allen's a gamer. I can see it, I think we all do. We get the right team around him he can win a lot of games in his career. But I'm not sure his full impact is going to show up the box score every Sunday and it's going to drive people crazy trying to tangibly prove he is better than Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, and co.

That roster was STACKED as well. Everybody at the time still thought of them as a really good team even after Brady went down.

WOW. I had Brady. Was not expecting that result.

I don't know if he's had trouble in off-seasons. The texting deal with Jonathan Martin at Miami was in season.. and a super weird story. Encouraged by coaches or something to "make Jonathan" tougher. Just find it telling he spun out of control in a full year without football getting more trouble in this past year than his entire decade in the NFL. He did seem to be particularly on his best behavior with the Bills not to mention probably playing his best football too. Which was great. Dude's not so relevant for me anymore.

This isn't really a second chance I think he's made come backs and relapsed several times no? This probably has been his best gig though. But I still agree with your point, no need to begrudge someone fixing themselves up and I hope he stays on the straight and narrow. This board is full of troubled NFL players right now.. like.. half the front page is over similar topic on various players lol. Off-season.

Yeah I don't value rings quite as much as this list does. I'm not even sure about Aikman with his pedestrian numbers and vast talent surrounding him. Always think Aikman gets rated too highly in every list but some vouch for his passing talent and I know Emmitt Smith certainly took a lot of the passing load he could have had for more gaudy stats.

Seems like he really needs football's structure in his life to stay out of trouble, and sadly he can't do that forever. Man needs to find something else to give him structure. Which is really the case with any problematic people. It's an often repeated history in the NFL.

A lot of employers that are among the top 64 in their profession may get away with many of this as well. I mean we say this about NFL players but even the lesser guards (or any position) are given these breaks because they're one of the best in the world simply for being and succeeding in the NFL. I don't really understand the translation with professional athletes because we don't consider that they are basically a club of the top engineering geniuses (insert profession) in the world. And even more so in the business world where you're not limited to 32 teams with roster limits. Any employer anywhere would still ask if someone's value is greater than the baggage they bring. The NFL wouldn't be as tolerant with a guy on the bubble. Just as it wouldn't be as tolerant for your average laborer. If Richie worked in a technical profession, he'd be an analogous genius among his peers where he's given a way longer rope to hang himself with. And even then he would get opportunities at less prestigious places for less money (some imaginary professional minor league) if he was banned from the genius club (NFL). It takes a really extreme screw up and PR hit.. like when players legit really can't get back to the NFL.. to not be allowed in when you have the talent. And at that point the guy probably has some serious legal issues going on anyway just like anyone else.

Tyrod actually fed Watkins well. Considering we called few pass plays he was the type that needed better WRs to work with. I mean a lot of his criticism comes from his worst and last season when he had just as bad if not worse than what Josh Allen had. I mean it gets chicken and egg at some point. But given Watkins numbers with Tyrod and Tyrod's with Watkins, I'd consider Watkins (not the greatest WR even) was good for Tyrod and the team. As was Woods, Tyrod leaned in him in that Seahawks game. We took basically all those guys away and gave him nothing and yes.. they were no good with a limited quarterback that hardly trusted to pass to that lot that struggled to even get open.

Eh believe me I'm pretty much accustomed to bad to mediocre QB play. It's become part of the fun rooting for a very limited QB led offense. And given that Tyrod was really a great find for a team going into training camp with a disgraced EJ, a 5th round Ravens backup with horrible regular season stats (Tyrod in Ravens garbage time), and Thad or whoever was the 3rd... He's really been roasted all things considered. But yes some here might take this especially hard.