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Jesus Christ, can you guys summarize your thoughts in like 3-4 paragraphs? I appreciate the responses, but it's like a tsunami full of text. It would take me at least an hour to respond back to all of this on my phone.

Also, if we do sign McCarron it's highly unlikely we draft a QB in the 1st round which is a big mistake! We need a veteran backup like Tom Savage, a guy who can help in the film room and keep the ship afloat for 5-6 games if our starter gets hurt. Many of these highly touted free agent QBs are going cost a lot of money and they're going to want to start. I think we should take that money and build the roster. Wait for one of the top 4 to drop to 7-10, move up without mortgaging the farm and take your QB of the future. Baker Mayfield with Tom Savage backing him up is a strong group.

I want Tom Savage. I think he would come cheap, he would be great as a veteran backup behind Baker Mayfield.

Eagles were a franchise QB away, they were loaded at nearly every position besides QB.

Congrats! I hope your wife and baby have a happy, healthy delivery.

I like Rudolph, most places have him listed in the 2nd all the way to the 4th round. Wouldn't surprise me if he went at the top of the 2nd though (33-35 range), that's kind of where I see him. Could be wrong, but that's my guess.

I think they're posturing at this point. It's a highstakes poker game and I am calling their bluff.

They're at 11. I think Oakland would dance with us at 10.

Really? 2019 looks better? That's crazy because 2018 is really nice, lots of good players in need areas.

Doubt it. I think Mayfield falls right into our laps at 10 in a trade up scenario. One of them will fall, I think Rosen goes 5-7, Allen and Darnold in the top 5. I'm banging the table for Mayfield at 10. Please, Lord.

I like Baker's attitude, he is fiesty and competitive. Other people see 'character issues', I see swagger! The trade up then the trade down scenario mitigates all risks involved. 21 + 53 to Oakland for Mayfield and then pray to God that Lamar Jackson is there at 22 and somebody wants to move up for him. Could recoup a 2nd and a 3rd back, maybe even an early 2nd that is higher than the 53rd pick we hypothetically dealt to Oakland. 1.) Mayfield 2.) 2.) 3.) 3.) 3.) Franchise QB or not, even if Mayfield busted, we would not be set back at all. No risk, high reward. We get our QB and we fill our holes.

I want Baker Mayfield at 10, I think he'll be there, the price won't be too bad at that point.

It has to be Josh Allen.

Baker Mayfield is absolutely who I'm praying for in a trade up to 10. I'd like to trade down from 22 and recoup the lost draft picks though. Wouldn't mind Rudolph or Lauletta in the 3rd on top of Mayfield at 10.

I pretty much agree with you on everything except how far we move up. We are in full agreement that we need a QB, dare I say it, take two! It's just who, when and where?

I'm in the trade up/trade down crowd. One of the top 4 will fall to #10, I think it's going to be Baker Mayfield IMO. Height concerns, character concerns etc. I think he falls. Trade up: 21, 53 and our 3rd next year to Oakland for #10, take Baker Mayfield. Trade down: Deal 22 for a 2nd and a 3rd, recoup all the draft picks we lost in the trade up. The result: We got a top 10 QB practically for free. 21 and 22 can be used strategically, we can move up and down while losing next to nothing.

Why spend more than you have to? Nobody really distinguishes themselves this year. One of the top 4 will fall to 10, I call BS that 4 QBs go by the time Oakland is on the clock. Once again 21 + 53 and maybe our 3rd next year will get us to #10. Turn around take Baker Mayfield and be done with it. Trade down from 22 and recoup all the picks we lost in our trade up.

I never said we don't draft one, I'm firmly against trading the farm for one. I'd trade up in the right scenario. 21 + 53 could get us up to 10-12, would probably have to give up a 2019 pick as well. That's about as high as I'd like to see us go. Maybe Mayfield or Rosen slide a few spots due to character concerns.

This draft is loaded at just about every weakness we have. We could probably walk away with 2 LBs, 2 DTs that start Day 1. I'm not against QB in RD1, I'm not against trading up for one either, I just wouldn't trade the farm for one. It comes down to the risk/reward ratio. Giving up 21 and a 1st next year to move to 7-10 is a lot more acceptable than trading 3 1st and 2 2nds to move up to #2 in a draft class where I just don't see a Peyton Manning or an Andrew Luck, I just don't see a prospect like that. Sure there are good prospects, but no generational talents. I really like Josh Allen and there are talks about him going #1 and that guy's bust potential is through the roof. I don't think the risk to reward ratio is good for a massive trade up.

Let's take the 33% odds for example and let's say you're playing scratch off tickets. Would you rather have 1 ticket at a 33% chance or 5 tickets with a 33% chance? (Although the odds of finding a franchise QB is far slimmer than drafting other positions and our chances of finding starters would be greater than 33% along with 5x more chances to find good players.)

I doubt Chicago would trade up for Trubisky again, which is all you need to know.

I've shown you statistics that provide examples as to what other teams have done. Why not learn from the mistakes of other people so you don't make the same mistakes yourself? 33% chance at best to find a franchise QB if we trade the farm for to get into the top 5. Or we could take those 5 picks in the top 65 selections and build our own version of the Legion of Boom.

When is the last time we've had this many picks? We can literally load up and build a powerhouse. Trading that away for nothing, why do it? I could see moving up 8-10 spots because that would not put a dent in our capital, but moving in the top 10 like some want is irresponsible.

Well, take Goff, Wentz and Watson off the list then, which makes my reasoning behind this thread even more meaningful. Fans want to trade the farm for a QB when the odds of landing a franchise guy is 33% at best.

Well, let me put it this way, do you think Chicago would make the same trade today that they did a year ago for Trubisky?