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Fair enough, maybe I'm letting my personal opinion get in the way on that, but I really don't think so, he sucks.

Out of the teams that traded up for 1st round QBs in the past 10 years: 2017: Chicago for Mitchell Trubisky Kansas City for Patrick Mahomes Houston for Deshaun Watson 2016: Los Angeles for Jared Goff Philadelphia for Carson Wentz 2015: no one. 2014: Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater 2013: no one. 2012: Washington gave up the farm for RG3. 2011: nobody. 2010: nobody. 2009: Tampa Bay traded to #17 for Josh Freeman. 2008: Nobody So out of the 9 QBs taken: 33% have been great. (Wentz, Goff, Watson) 44% have been busts. (Freeman, RG3, Trubisky, Manziel) 22% the jury is still out on. (Bridgewater, Mahomes)

You didn't hear about this first in one of your high level meetings, did you?

If he's so good, why didn't he beat out Andy Dalton?

The guaranteed money doesn't seem too bad, but is he really better than Tyrod? I don't think so, I'd rather just draft one.

I'd rather Foles be a draft day trade or no trade at all. I don't want to give up a 2nd for him, what happens if one of the big 4 comes tumbling down the board and we want to move up? 21 + 53 gets us up to 12, I think that's best case scenario for us and very realistic.

They finally understand the importance of sitting a rookie QB on the bench for a year. Good on them for not feeding Allen to the wolves. Taylor is a nice bridge, they should win more games this year. He is much better than Kizer, that's for sure!

There are some very good QB prospects this year, but I don't see a guaranteed home run guy. I understand if Andrew Luck or a Carson Wentz guy is sitting there, but I just don't feel that way about any of them, they all have flaws. Good prospects this year, not great, no one sticks out to me.

How do you justify taking a QB in the top 3, when you are on record saying that we are more than one player away? The media would cannibalize McBeane if they gave up every single pick we own for one player. Especially in a draft where there is no Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz prospect. I think we'll wait until one of the top 4 guys falls through the cracks and we move 21 + a 2nd what's left. They could just stay put and draft Rudolph or trade for Foles, who knows? I just think that Mayfield will drop and he will be way too hard to pass up on.

I am taking Beane and McDermott at their word. They may trade up, but I don't think it will be a colossal trade. I don't think it's a smokescreen, I believe them, some GMs and coaches are straight shooters, I think Beane and McDermott are one of them.

I'm going off of common sense. Beane and McDermott both have said that we are not just one player away and that we have no intention of trading the farm. Rosen, Darnold and Allen are all going in the top 10, Mayfield will most likely be the odd man out and may slide far enough that we would have to give up very little to move up 5-7 spots to get him. Or it could be Foles, Rudolph or some other free agent QB, but I stand by my thought that if we do draft a QB in RD1, my guess is Mayfield. I can't predict the future and I'm not pretending to have inside info.

I think it's Baker Mayfield. All signs point to him IMO.

Tyrod is better than given credit for. He was a better QB than Fitzpatrick was yet everyone loved Fitz, even though their styles were the opposite. Wish him the best in Cleveland, I will be rooting for the Browns this year. GO BILLS!!

+1 I'd like to see us move up and down, play the board a bit. I could see us packaging up 21, 65 and a 2019 pick to move up into the 10-15 range for a guy like Mayfield. If I had to guess, I think 3 QBs go in the top 10, Mayfield is the odd one out because of height and character concerns. Turn around and trade down from 22 and stockpile even more picks for 2018 and 2019. You would have an elite QB prospect along with 5 picks in the 2nd and 3rd. 1st - Baker Mayfield 2nd 2nd 2nd 3rd 3rd

49ers or Colts.

What if we select a QB at 21 and then trade down? We could be sitting on 3 2nds and 3 3rds, that would be enough to completely reshape our roster. Rudolph, Mayfield or Jackson at 21 and deal 22 for multiple picks.

I want Case Keenum and a trade up for Baker Mayfield, I think he is going to slide into the mid teens and we won't have to give up a whole lot to move up and get him.

I understand. No offense taken. Smart move either way, definitely not the same old Browns. Wonder what Landry gets.

Makes sense. They got the money to pay Landry, smart play would be Barkley at 1 and QB at 4.

The big knock on him coming out was he was too slow and couldn't get separation.

Donte man queef.

I think they'll trade up if Mayfield or Allen fell in the 10-15 range, I have no doubt in my mind. I don't see us trading in the top 10 though. There is a big difference between trading 21 + a 2nd versus trading three 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks is a huge difference. I think he meant that he won't do the latter IMO.

#1. Josh Allen says Mike Mayock and other insiders who say the BROWNS are considering him at 1. #2. I don't go every year, but I've been to games where it has rained in the 1st half and my clothes were drenched and by the 2nd half the temperature was below freezing. Quit pretending like RWS is like playing in a dome, not true. #3. From a sheer numbers standpoint, I mean at least 2-3 of the QBs this year are going to be long term starters in the NFL, I mean you got Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, White, Lauletta, etc. It's just a numbers game at this point, maybe we have to move up 5-10 spots, maybe we can just stand PAT, but I don't think we do something drastic and trade up to #2 or anything.

There is no slam dunk prospect this year, there are some very good prospects, but if Josh Allen is the #1 rated prospect, you got problems and that doesn't mean he can't be good, he could be the next Big Ben or he can be the next Paxton Lynch or Brock Osweiler. Btw, the conditions at RWS are hazardous at best, there are wind swirls that can carry a football into the air and the stadium is built on top of a graveyard. Also, I think if we are patient, we walk away with a nice QB prospect while not having to give up much at all. We can get our QB and keep our draft picks IMO.

Jim Kelly is a HOF QB, very few QBs can sling the ball the way he did at RWS in the weather conditions he did, he is the exception, not the standard and nowhere did I say I didn't want a franchise QB, I just don't think we should trade the farm for one. If one of the big 4 fall to 10, I think the risk to reward ratio is a lot more safer at that point. There is no alpha QB in this class, no Matt Ryan, no Matt Stafford, Jared Goff or Carson Wentz. Every QB has holes this year, there are rumblings that Josh Allen may go #1, let that sink in. This is not the draft to trade the farm for, stay put, of one falls package #21 along with one of our 2nds and move up.