Jrb1979

First I will say to add a dome it would less then $1 billion. The Titans new stadium with a dome is only $500 million more. The money can come for PSLs. I said earlier for me it's less about a roof but more about what there is amenity wise. From what I posted earlier it sounds very much that the new stadium will be much like Highmark but updated with wider concourses and more food options. If you look around at most stadiums in all sports, it's less about the game and more about the amenities in the stadium.

I'm not so sure they can realistically support this stadium. I have a feeling many hardcore fans are going to be priced out.

It's not so much trying to appeal to to other parts of the state or drawing in people across the country but more about drawing in a different type of fan then that goes to the games now. In that interview with Titans stadium they talk about appealing to different types of fans, from families to fans like you. That's the way leagues are heading. I have a 4 year old and would love to go to a game. The problem is she won't sit still for a whole game. If they had an area for kids to get their wiggles out I would me more inclined to go.

It's not about upgrading a 50 year old stadium. My point is that the new stadium is basically an updated Highmark stadium.

I'm over the dome part. I know it will be a huge upgrade but I don't think its going to be much different amenity wise then Highmark other then being updated. This is from an interview with people working on the Bills stadium project. With respect to the project, what is the ultimate goal in terms of the kind of stadium you're looking to build? And how much different will it be than Highmark Stadium RR: We're going to build the best football stadium we possibly can for the Buffalo Bills and our fans. It will be state of the art and will have a great deal of modern amenities that we currently lack at Highmark Stadium. We do, however, want to maintain the intimacy, great sight lines and the amazing home field advantage and energy we currently have at Highmark Stadium. It will be a football specific stadium and we want to take advantage of all of the modern amenities, comfort, and technology available to us as we develop our plan with the architects. Compare that to what developers are saying about the Titans stadium. What are your goals for fan experience in the new stadium? BN: "We want it to be a modern experience. Our current facility has served our fans well for a few decades. But there is a better experience that is available by thinking about the diversity of experience. Many of our fans just want to get to the game, park in their seats, and watch the game. But what you see around the NFL, the best stadiums allow fans the choice about how they want to attend the game and interact with the stadium. So, that may be a great seat that has a good view of the game and they're parked there the entire time. And, that may be a social experience. There's families who want the ability to roam around a little bit with their little ones. We have millennials who would like to have something of a game-long tailgate. So, we are trying to build a building and design a building that accommodates a wide range of experiences. We are really, really focused on building a great fan experience, a home-field advantage frankly, through the design of this building and we feel like there are some really great opportunities." IMO the Titans stadium and it's amenities are what the Bills should be building. After reading those two interviews the Bills went for an update to Highmark instead of putting on the level of what new stadiums offer. It's not just about the game on the field anymore or tailgating. I know many here that's all they care about is the game on the field but it's not who the league is trying to cater to anymore.

I could care less if there is a dome or not. I will be laughing when this new stadium has the same issues as Highmark with selling tickets in December and January due to the weather. They had issues the last two seasons in December having sellouts and that's with the team being good.

I would like to know why an enclosed stadium wasn't possible. Considering that the new Titans stadium costs 2.1 billion compared to the Bills 1.4 billion.

Agreed. Even the Titans stadium looks much better and didn't cost that much more. IMO it feels like they went with the best stadium they can do for the price they were willing to spend. Since it's only going to be used for the Bills and they aren't getting a Super Bowl here why spend more then needed. For most fans the fact this means the team is staying is good enough. They got an improved stadium over Highmark. What more do you need?

General seating isn't much higher but premier seating is a lot higher then you said.

It will be much higher then that. According to the Sports Business Journal, Bills season-ticket holders got a look at what a personal seat license "might cost in the new stadium when the team emailed a survey on the potential design, amenities and seating options" for the $1.4B stadium, starting at $500 for general seating -and reaching "as high as $16,500 for premier seat

A good example is something similar to Progressive field in Cleveland. They have an area for kids to play, a patio and bar overlooking the field. On the main level each micro brewery has their own concession with different food at each one. Those are things I would like to see that I have feeling won't happen. Upgraded seats and a roof over most of the stands doesn't impress me.

I don't have a skewed outlook on everything. Maybe football but hockey I don't. As far as the average fan goes, if they truly just went for the sake of taking in the energy of the game then none of these other stadiums would be adding in things to make the game day experience better. They would stick with concourses like they always have had. The stadium experience is big part of the game more so now then it ever has before.

I hope so cause that's what is needed. I know many here disagree with that.

They have added. Four New 'Outfield Neighborhoods': Most of Tuesday's media tour was focused on the four new social spaces Rogers Centre will house in the outfield next season—two on the 100-level and two on the 500-level. The 'outfield neighborhoods' include a Corona Rooftop Patio in the 500-level right field, a family-friendly park in left, and two themed bars along the 100-level that sit behind the batter's eye and overlook the road bullpen.

It's why I listen to Satellite radio. Other then Sabres games or the odd time on my way to work I rarely listen to regular radio anymore.

Anything is an improvement over Highmark. I'm sure everything will be an improvement. My view is that if the outside esthetic is this generic I don't see the inside being anything special either. I would venture to guess is you have the Bills hall of fame inside and the food vendors will be mostly the same as Highmark just improved. The game day experience probably isn't going to change much. I know most of you are there for the game and are happy with all the improvements. The problem is your average fan wants more then that to be drawn to go to a game. Why spend a few hundred dollars to go to a game when the experience is not much different than watching at home for free. Your average fan wants a better experience then what they get at home. It's why I brought up the Rogers Centre and it's upgrades. They are adding major amenities to make the game day experience better. Having an updated Highmark stadium isn't enough for the sports world we live in. I do understand that people on this board are satisfied with the team staying and having an improved stadium. You do have to understand that your casual sports fan isn't drawn by that.

Sure it's an upgrade to Highmark but that's not saying much. My point is that if you look at the new stadiums and upgrades stadiums and arenas around the country are doing, they almost all have things in common. They all are adding things to make the stadium experience better then what you get if you watched the game sitting at home. A good example is the Rogers Centre in Toronto. Before the major upgrades this offseason I rarely went to a game. I would drive 3 hours to see a game in Cleveland before seeing a game in Toronto. Now with the upgrades and the new amenities and food offerings I am looking forward to seeing a game there. I know most here could care less about that stuff but the people here aren't your average fan.

It doesn't effect my life but doesn't mean I should just be satisfied they are staying. The issue I have is that around the league the stadiums that have been built or being built are state of the art. Even other leagues are upgrading their stadiums to get them up to date. Look at the Rogers Centre in Toronto. This winter they have done a big make over with adding a bar that overlooks centre field. The way sports have been heading the game isn't the major draw anymore stadium wise. Most can stay home if they just want to watch the game. This goes for the Sabres too. I hope with them being good again and attendance rising they use some of that money a put it back into the arena and get it up to date.

IMO I think why many don't want a huge over the top stadium is the cost for tickets at that kind of stadium. Many would be priced out.

I get it. Buffalo isn't a major city and is a small market. They don't need anything fancy or over the top. It just needs to be good enough and to not price out the market.

Yes they are just fine but they were also built well before these new wave of stadiums. Personally I would rather they built something similar to what Nashville is building. Winning only takes you so far. December and January games have been a hard sell even when they are winning. Since a dome isn't happening then hopefully the amenities are majorly updated. I'm talking having all the micro breweries having a vendor in the stadium, a bar/ restaurant in one of the corners over looking the field. I would love if they took a page from Progressive field and have an area for kids and families to hangout.

That was at the beginning of the year. They had a sell out today. You can't say much when the Bills have issues selling tickets in December and January. Look at the amount of Bengals fans at the last game.

For the older generation this stadium works just fine. The problem is if they want to get the 40 and under generation to go to games you need it to be on the level of those stadiums. It's already a hard sell for fans in December and January games. The Bengals game should never had that many Bengals fans in attendance.

It should be paid for in PSLs.