nbbillsfan

I have never seen it with edmunds. All tools no toolbox.

I just have a bad feeling we face a pissed off group if we play the titans this week. Teams teams tend to play well the game after adversity, then the ill-affects deep in after a couple weeks.

I was skeptical of Allen when he was picked. He seemed like an all tools, no toolbox pick. I tend to like QB’s without elite physical tools because they may have very higher football IQ, accuracy, work ethics ect to compensate for physical deficiencies. I believe these things are more likely to lead to nfl success. However, what gave me optimism that he could prove me wrong was his love of football and, most importantly, his seeming insatiable desire to work on deficiencies and improve. I feel so many Uber pHysically gifted QB’s like Allen fail because they have always gotten by on talent alone. They have dominated with their physical traits and when they get to the NFL and hit resistance, they don’t have the will or desire to work hard and get to the next level. Allen is not this at all. Perhaps some of this ties back to not being a highly recruited high school prospect. Regardless, I am so very excited to have Josh on the team. He is a rare bread of physical talent, work ethic and love for the game.

James proche, WR, SMU

Everyone comparing this deal to Hopkins did not watch much of Texans last year. I was living in Hou for much of last year and watched almost every snap he played. Guy was either hurt or lost a step, maybe 3. Would not surprise me if he goes the way of anquan boldin/kelvin benjamin/ Brandon Marshall ect. Most likely scenario I actually think he’ll be similar to Larry fitz of last 5ish years. Good catch radius, chain mover, but not a game changer. These deals are apples and oranges IMO.

Obviously our scouts didn’t think they were studs.

A couple things: 1. He looks surprisingly quick, fluid, fast. Anyone know why he didn’t run the 40 at the combine? 2. We know Beane and Co spent A Lot if time watching DK Metcalf and AJ Brown, obviously Knox caught there eye.

Obviously both is great, but if just one then speed/quickness. Really what I want is someone who can get separation. I am a Josh Allen fanboy, but think percision passing will likely never be his strong suit. I think he would excel more throwning to receivers with a step then trying to put the ball exactly where a big receiver could get the ball over a smaller corner. Much like cam newton, who had a modest 59% career completion percentage with big wr’s like Benjamin and Funchess, this year he got some burners and was 68%.

Anyone who is not dissapointed in Allen thus far just doesn't get it. Guy has simply not played the position well, at all. He has run the ball well for a QB, but you know it is a bad sign when the best thrown ball of the last few games came from Nate fricken Peterman. They days of QB's needing a year to be productive are over, there plentiful examples of guys coming in and showing a ton of potential, as a passer, early on. There are not many examples, however, of guys struggling to complete passes at the rate Josh has, who were able to overcome that. I like Josh, he has ton's of talent and seems to have a great work ethic and drive. He is miles behind mentally and accuracy wise. We will see if hard work and determination can drastically improve those areas; however, history has not been kind to QB's with these issues. The best thing I can say about the kid, is that if anyone can beat the odds, I think it could be him.

The only hope we have is that coaches were putting players in tough spots to see if they could handle them, that they won't be put in during the regular season. However, seems no one handled their responsibilities well, and you can't give help to everyone...

Simms has seemed to pump up josh Allen a couple times. I’d love this if true, but I wonder if Simms has a bias for some reason.

What data? While I agree with your assessment, there is no data that truly measures anticipation, timing or football IQ. While I agree that will likely be why Allen fails (if he does fail), that is true for most quarterbacks. Also, there are very very few QB’s who you could confidently say excelled in those areas coming out of college. however, in my opinion there are a few things a qb needs to develop these skills: intelligence, hard work, and talent. Allen has all three. Whether he puts it all together, who knows.

I am sorry as i don't really know how the offseason works. Will Zay potentially have any meaningful practice time before start of seaons?

cant say i understand this with our lack of experience/talent on the OL.

Our receivers should be better than last year, and we made the playoffs with them. They are not a good unit, but if this team fails to make the playoffs I feel it will be the OLine's (running game) regression that will be responsible.

Trust me, there will be no quote, no link, not even a "rumor" from someone he claims to know. He will just disappear and troll the same nonsense in a few days.

Lol you said that like it’s a bad thing...but Jamarcus with athleticism smarts (and work ethic) could have been a pro bowler..

I think Beane showed his thoughts on trading 2019 draft picks. The truth is we were lucky to make the playoffs last year. There are teams who had down years who should have been better, and the AFC as a whole should be better/deeper this year. Oh, and we will be starting a rookie qb or a AJ Mcarron. Beane likely sees that there is a real potential we are a bad team this year. We would not get a good value on our 2019 picks as teams will contend that that pick should be in the 21 range (where we were this year), when in reality it might be much higher than that....

Any easy way to confirm this is look at other QB's completion % in that offense. Nic Shimonek, this years QB in that offense, had a 66.5% completion %. That is one thing that people don't seem to understand, so much of completion % is the offense you run. Allen may very well struggle with completion % in the NFL, but it is erroneous to think a guy like Mahomes won't because he had a high completion % in college.

Yes, If you are a jerk who historically doesn’t respond well to coaching then you do have to be more talented than a guy who is strong leader and is very coachable in order to succeed. With that being said, there are nearly as many examples of the former as there is of the latter.

But listen to the guy talk, you can hear his arrogance for yourself. It’s not just rumors and smoke, if you listen to the qbs in this draft talk they are all likeable; Rosen is not. again, if he’s a great qb none of this will matter. Likewise, if Allen is the most likeable/coachable player of all time, but can’t put it together, than who cares.

Doesn’t it seem odd to you that his own head coach wouldn’t suggest him for the #1 pick?

Ya, you are missing the point.

I don’t think anyonr was afraid of drafting Rosen because he is a “troublemaker”, they were scared off because he is a jerk. If you are phenomenal QB, you can be a jerk and still lead a successful NFL team. But you have to be great; will Rosen be good enough to overcome this, we will find out.

it sounded "highsmith" had him 5th, at the end of the season. Not sure how he had him come draft day. Also, sounds like Dorsey had Allen higher. I disagree. Wonderlics, just like SAT/LSAT ect., do have a strong correlation to IQ. However, your excuse does sound like something Rosen would say. Also, I live in Newport Beach, so it is actually 95% USC fans...