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I think this all depends on context. I don't see #1 receiver type stuff here. If that's your expectation, I think you're going to be disappointed. If the expectation is a good slot receiver, you'll probably be happy with the pick.

Haha if Coleman turns out to be a bust, there’s going to be “Gauntlet speed” trolling here for the rest of our lives

That and sometimes change is just good unless you have something amazing like TNT's Inside The NBA crew. There's probably more talented guys out there.

I would've rather we traded back and picked up a 5th round pick than to have him for the 5th year

Road grader, high character, only fell because he has stubby fingers. Should be a 10 year starter. Steal.

I'd take him over McD. Spags was a crappy head coach because of the other responsibilities involved...but so is McD. At least he has something to offer. I'm honestly not sure what it is that McD has to offer when his proficiency is what gets us lit up in the playoffs every single year.

What about the 2 other times when we didn't have a bunch of injuries and KC still put up 40 in both games?

He is easily our best QB ever. Who would you take in our history over him? EDIT: Nevermind, I saw the context of the post you were replying to, I think you were saying he's easily not the best ever in general if I have it right, not the Bills. I would definitely challenge you on it if you're saying he's not the Bills best QB ever.

But when KC invests in defense, they get stops in the playoffs. It pays off. When has it ever paid off for us in the playoffs? Our Head Coach's specialty is our biggest liability when it matters most. He can't get it done even when the defense has been invested into more than the offense.

The problem with saying this is McD's defenses get smoked in the playoffs by good QB's even when we do invest heavily in it. We were relatively healthy in 20 and 21 and gave up 40ish both years. We can't stop or even slow down Mahomes or Burrow. I've said it before, but the reality is we stuck with that by keeping McD. We are essentially just moving forward accepting that we need to score 30-40+ points and be near perfect offensively to win games vs top teams with this head coach here...so we do need to load up on offense.

What's the reason he got picked so late? Lack of good competition?

TEAM CAPTAIN

Yes. You do have to wonder why not when you have all those 5's....

Fine for what though? "Fine" has not won us a championship.

We're a .500 team in the playoffs with an elite QB...that's not a good thing. We are not doing this right. We have been a playoff underachiever.

So like...we didn't stockpile all these picks to make any kind of move up?

Keon could end up being a really good player for all I know....but I really hope this reason isn't why we drafted him. And I love #17. But this is a guy that also wanted Ken Dorsey to be the OC. But that's not a slight. He's not a talent evaluator. Michael Jordan was the GOAT of the NBA but an incredibly awful GM. They are completely different jobs. Could someone be really good at both? Sure. But there is a learning curve for it, one that Beane and other evaluators have obviously gone through. Asking for his opinion? Sure. But I hope the pick was made based on people who spent countless hours studying these guys.

No, this is classic McD apologist propaganda. It's McD's team, and his proficiency is defense. Frazier was a coordinator under McD's overall defensive philosophy. If he didn't like what Frazier was doing at any point during that time, he could have worked with him to make changes or fired him. It is the most nonsensical thing to say that if Frazier was such a big problem, that somehow McD is blameless when he held all the power to make any change he wanted and kept him for years. And yes, the D did do it again last year..."but injuries". Again, given McD's history of postseason failures and chokejobs...we need to give Allen enough to put up almost a perfect game, because that's what we've seen is needed to beat the Chiefs with McD holding us back. Allen was GREAT in 2 of those games and we still lost. It's just not enough, that is again the reality of the burden of having McD here.

Because Josh is a great, generational QB. And for all of those numbers you just gave...what have we won? Here's a dose of reality...when the decision keeps being made to bring McDermott back...we KNOW we're going to have to score 30-40+ points in big playoff games to offset the massive liability that he and his defense is here. We know McDermott's D is going to give up big points in big games because that's what he does. We know he's going to make poor decisions on top of that. All of that is something #17 has to overcome. Even when he has and gave McD a lead with 13 seconds left...that wasn't enough for him either. So yes, we do need more weapons for him to be able to do that when it matters most. He has to do more than Mahomes or any other QB to overcome McDermott. This is our reality, it's been proven over and over and over again. When you take that into account...Samuel, Coleman, Shakir, Kincaid, and Knox is not enough unless you're just content with playoffs and losing to KC, which it seems like an inordinate amount of fans are.

Nope, I’ve never said this dude sucks. And I’m not a Franklin guy. I do think once again that we are falling short of giving #17 the weapons he needs and don’t understand the benefit of the doubt that Beane and McD are getting from some of you on it while McD and the high amount of resources he’s gotten for his defenses have let us down literally every single postseason and every single big moment.

I think that's equally as bad a take. This dude could be solid. The frustration is more so that we're headed for yet another season of underwhelming weapons for Josh to throw to. This has been going on for years. Yes, I know the offseason isn't over yet but people have also been saying that for years and then it's still not fixed. I'm not sure how Beane/McD get the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Let me guess, "Great pick! Wow, Beane's killing it! Can't believe this guy was still here!"

Oh he sold out as as shill for the organization a long time ago

4.45 sounds great now!

Did he actually say that?