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From the outside looking in.... Hopkins for the Bills....would be alot like when KC signed Sammy Watkins. That contract was way too much, and it really wasn't needed. Could the Bills use some help in the WR room? Sure...but I can't stress this enough....Josh Allen is the rare QB who elevates whoever is out there and spending a TON on Hopkins isn't going to improve Allen or your offenses stats in any way that would be remotely close to to being worth Hopkins contract and whatever draft picks you give up. The Bills still sit at 3rd best SB win odds as we sit here after FA, and pre draft. Thats Allen. Hopkins would NOT move the needle. If you are going to invest some draft capital at WR, you'd be much better off trying to haggle with the Broncos over Juedy. 2 years of cost control for a player who has suffered from CRAP coaching and CRAP QB play....metrics say his YAC and separation are GREAT. That should be your target.

I assure you...KC was never really in. Whatever reported interest KC has had, was nothing more than KC just doing due diligence and kicking tires. My source is Me and MATH. I hate LAZY reporters who can't comprehend the cap. KC has 6 million in cap space....you wanna know if KC is in on something? They'll announce a Chris Jones contract extension that frees up cap space. Until then KC isn't in on anything where they have to assume some crap contract. Also.... KC isn't going to get 50% more production from their WR room by spending 50% more on it. the ROI isn't there.

KC wouldn't be in at the current asking price and cap number...so no need to worry about the Chiefs here. I know they were rumored to be interested...KC is rumored to be interested in every WR. Having just had a season as the no.1 scoring O and won a super bowl with a hodge podge of WR, KC is gonig to roll with a roster building strategy of low cost WR options and use resources on areas that Mahomes can't directly impact as much or at all. Not saying I wouldn't like Hopkins on the Chiefs...certainly i would but not for what AZ is asking and definitely not at his current salary.

Allbright has been fairly well connected to Buffalo sources over the last few years, but just as a cautionary tale....ever since the new owners took over in Denver, Ben has been wrong A LOT about Broncos stuff....and he works for the team. Seems like his new bosses have been feeding that guy bad info, intentionally, he runs out to twitter with it, then 15 minutes later, something completely contrary to what he's reported happens and he has to retract/walk back his tweets. Doesn't mean he is wrong on Hopkins or that he still doesn't have some good connections with Bills people...but at least in Denver, he's been having a rough rough go of it since the start of last season.

I want to clarify.....when I say the Denver folks woulnd't be interested.....it's not because any of them have some strong opinion about Oliver....he's on the last year of a contract, which dimineshes trade value...and alot (but not all) think Juedy has been hindered by QB play and organizational disfunction....and he has a couple controllable years left. Oliver isn't a valuable asset to the Broncos (and their fans) considering all this. I am sure there are a number of ALL teams fans that would be interested in Ed Oliver as a free agent at X dollars on a new contract.....but Oliver as part of a Juedy trade doesn't move the needle. Denver would want draft picks....not an expiring contract.

You are referring to me. I said it a while back, I've been saying it for a while. You guys ought to be as happy about this as I am. KC offered Brown a really sweet deal last offseason. He turned it down because he wanted more guaranteed money. KC tagged him. KC did not make an offer because they wanted to move him to RT. Orlando Brown makes very big deal out of wanting to be a LT like his father. Also, it's been reported, Brown's market was really soft because not only did KC want him to move to RT....several other teams did as well......including the Bears....who also badly need OT. Cincinnatti get him at a pretty low price......especially low for starting LT.....because they promised to play him at LT. (which has upset their incumbant LT, who has demanded a trade) This is NOT going to work out well for Cincy. Keep in mind, Orlando Brown was a one of the groomsman at Patrick Mahomes wedding. They are good friends...and even THAT didn't keep KC from moving on. ....AND they went out and signed a RT who KC will move to LT, at a high price. It's a risky move that cost alot. THAT's how much KC was sure they needed to move on from Brown. He's miscast as a LT and it's made worse in a pass heavy offense. Cinncinnatti got WORSE by doing this. They got a player who is not any better at pass blocking that what they already had, plus they pissed that guy off....so changing out one mediocre LT for another, and paying to do it. Also, KC let Wylie...the other OT go in FA too. Wylie isn't villified so much because he was never supposed to be a starting RT. He's been a great swing O lineman during his time in KC..and has started all over the line. he's better at OG, but is a servicable tackle in a pinch.....problem was he started all 17 games this year and you will read about his PFF grade being high....just watch the film. He got pushed backward into the QB's lap alot....and was beaten more than you want your RT to be beaten most games.

As a long time member of a Broncos board. I ASSURE you, NO ONE over there would think this was a good deal. I GUARANTEE you guys, Ed Oliver isn't even on the radar in Denver as someone they'd even consider trading anything for let alone Jerry Juedy.

ok...you are betting the Packers win division and a playoff game with Love as starting QB. I am betting that doesn't happen. I'd be willing to make this a little easier. How about Packers with Love make playoffs, you win...Packers and Love don't make playoffs, I win. You good with that?

Wouild you care to place a wager on it with me? 100 bucks?

If they thought anything of Love at all, they would have moved on from Rodgers last year when they would have gotten a haul and not had to sign him to that huge extension. Love didn't suddenly become good between last offseason and this offseason. He still sucks. The difference is the Packers are tired of Rodgers...coudln't win with him last year and can't put or keep a good roster around him with his paycheck.....that's too much to put up with his shananigans for. They want to be done with him. Has nothing to do with Love..

.....Drew Lock is similar size and plays a game similar to Josh Allen. Has a strong arm. Poor mans JA? (I would like KC to pick him up as our backup, he's from Kansas City.) The Packers, once the Rodgers thing is sorted out, may be in on him. They loved him coming out of college. I don't think they really believe in Jordan Love as much as they are just tired of Rodgers and ready to move on.

No. Absolultely not. Worst starting pair of OT in the NFL....but played with what is 1st or 2nd best overall set of G-C-G.

If you are implying that Orlando Brown is Kc's top OLineman, then you've made a mistake. He's 4 out of 5.

I completely agree!

I don't want to say 100 percent NO, but I beleive they are content to let JuJu move on...they have MVS under contract for 2 more seasons and I THINK...just my opinion, speculation ,that they feel like they could bring in another similar player to JuJu on a similar deal and get that same production. Nothing against JuJu...he was fine whille he was here...he's going to make some money and for the rest of his life, he is a super bowl champion...not bad. KC just doesn't need to pay him...he's not special is all.

I am excited to see what they do....it will be hard to put 2 new guys in worse than the 2 they are moving on from at OT

Not just for the Bills....but I've always thought there are strategic times to take some personal foul penalties and enhance your reputation and as a rough bunch of A-holes....if that is the reputatoin you want... For example..... If a player has just caught a pass or had a run that gets you a first and goal from the 2 or whatever....just give them an extra pop or shove or whatever....take that PF penalty....it's already going to be 1st and goal from the 2...it's half the distance to the goal and it's already first down....you lose a yard to get a good shot in. Take one AFTER an extra point...so that the 15 yards are enforced on a kickoff....big deal! or if you want to make it less obvious....team completes pass or runs....it's now first and goal from the 5 or whatever....as a team...have your D line go offside all together...knock the other teams O line on their ass collectively...they were "drawn offside" half the distance to the goal...it's a 2 yard penalty to knock the whole oline completely on their asses.

Couple thoughts on this : 1. Obviously Mahomes is extremely popular in KC. We don't like his brother at all, and we tolerate his wife, becasue she's Pats wife. Pats mom also kind of goes little astray on twitter from time to time (nothing like this though) Pat is not his brother, but his brother does this stupid crap becasue he's pats brother. Pat shouldn't have to, but it's going to fall on him to law down the law here....it's clear Pat fiancially aids his brother, and his brother rewards him by being a jack wagon way too frequently, dragging Pat down into the mud. It doesn't look good for Pats mom, who sometimes can come accross as a bit righteous about her beliefs....to have your kid out here forcably kissing a woman like this. 2. Until this happend...like many..I thought he was gay. I dn't have a prpblem with people having varying sexuality...I don't care if he is or not....just surprised to see that he's at minimum Bi, if not straight. Perhaps my own biases are incorrect, but he alwasy came accross to me as effeminent...and therefore homosexual. 3. Pat needs kick his brother out of his KC home if nothing else...maybe the kid needs to move back to NE Texas with mom and get his crap together. ...I don't care...but we only got enough patience to teal with one loony toon family member...and we are choosing to put with Brittnay 10/10.

The Bills have 3rd best ODDS to win SB next year as it stands. Vegas has looked over your roster, your FA and cap situation and you still have 3rd best odds because you have Josh Allen. Your time could be anytime he's the QB.

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Hey! I have some unsolicited thoughts on this! I don't know enough or watch enough Bills D to make any kind of guess on Edmunds. I would say this - While the Bills have not won the SB...you had the 13 second game in a year when you'd have had a very strong chance to win one...and then coming into this year, your team was the favorite and was playing like it until Von got hurt. I think there is a degree of overthinking it since you dind't end up with a title (easy for me to say) I believe Josh Allen is one of the rare few that can thrive with lower cost targets etc. IF it were me running the Bills....I'd try and put money into thing Josh Allen can't improve directly. And of those things, I'd go: 1. The best O line I could put toghether. 2. Interior D line pass rushers 3. Outside pass rushers 4. Corners. 5. Safety 6. Off ball LB. 7. Skill players. (this isn't to say they arne't important. I just wouldn't spend collectivly, all that much. If I had a Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, I'd do one big contract..otherwise...no. Allen and a strong line and Allen will lift up what you surround him with) ....and I'd also invest in the best O line I could put toether. Given you've already paid Milano....I'd lean to letting Edmunds go and investing that in something more important. .....again, Idon't know Edmunds value to your system. He is young and I would think his prime years are now...

Here is the thing about big QB contracts. If you are paying a QB one of these very large deals, like the Bills are with Allen, the Chiefs with Mahomes....then the QB MUST be of the caliber that he can play at a high and efficient level with lesser talent, or less star power around, and more MEH/JAG types/Rookies around. Brandt is emboldened here by the idea Matt Stafford just won a title on a team the truly said "F them picks" and got alot of vet talent, kicked alot of that money down the road for CAP ACCOUNTING purposes, and they won. Mahomes, on a large cap hit this past season, and a bunch of rookies, and hodge podge WR corps...won. There are only a very small number of QB's who can take a high pct of the cap at a given time or over a period of time, and take whatever roster you cobble together. Kirk Cousins is a decent QB, but he's paid too much / his pay has to account for too much space on their cap to put an adequate enough roster around him to win a super bowl. (rather, it's improbably they will win one with him, not impossible) Dak Prescott...same problem. Kyler Murray. Same problem. Daniel Jones, Russel Wilson (at this point) Stafford, are QB's all about looking at some big contracts where they might squeeze in a year or maybe 2 of a low cap hit and try and put alot around those guys for a year or maybe 2, and then that's it.... Burrow, and Lamar also about to get huge paydays. When the CAP hits come around, will they be able to put enough together? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know where the line is...what the pct is, and what the talent level is, where you CAN or you CAN NOT pay X and win with only X amount of talent, but I strongly suspect that line only has few guys above the high pay/high talent threshold and a whole lot under it. Guys above this line: Mahomes Allen MAYBE Burrow.

I don't know where else to post this....but if you guys do a Twobilldrive member mock draft and need someone to participate, I'd love to. Been drafting on a Denver board for KC for 4 years now...would love to do it here too if you guys have one and if you have a spot.

Couple thoughts here. 1st...McDuffie. KC has a type they like to draft at CB, similar to the Bills...longer, taller guys....so again, I can't say who they wanted (they sure looked sad about KC jumping in front for McDuffie in that war room video) ...but KC went outside the mold because they thought highly enough of his skill set to trade up and get him. KC...justified or not, thought they had to get in front of the Bills to do it. 2nd. Just a note on Mahomes scoring high on this test....back when he was doing visits etc...Gruden LOVED Mahomes...but also, pre draft, KC had Mahomes and Watson both in...it leaked out that Watson sucked on the whiteboard and quesitons, while Mahomes shined. Now....clearly you don't have to be a brainiac to be a really good QB becaue pre massage Watson was pretty good...whatever his test scores and whiteboard acumen....but I think we've seen enough of both Mahomes and Allen to see that their QB intelligence shows up on gameday.

KC signed John Ross (9th overall 2017, 1 pick before Mahomes) to a futures contract...so he'll be in camp. People forget, KC signed Justyn Ross as an undrafted FA last year....from Clemson. 6'4. Fast. was a big time prospect. Had alot of 1st round type talk around him before the neck thing, and then foot thing. Had a neck fusion issue, and a foot fracture that needed surgery. Sat on IR all of last season. Now healthy... John Ross is a pure camp invite...let's see if he has anything to offer type camp body...with upside. And Justyn Ross...If he's healthy.....you see what you have...another high ceiling. low risk guy. KC does this alot. Neither one is someone they are counting on in 2023, but this is exactly the kind of thing they do....throw numbers at it, with low risk, high reward guys that don't cost anything. I've seen some reports Michael Thomas is on KC radar if he'll come cheap....and he might...coming off surgery...who knows what he has left....but this kind of thing is what I am surprised more teams don't try. I'd think Thomas would be someone the Bills will kick the tires on if the price is right too.