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Roseman McClay (Dallas) ....look at their drafts...consistantly really good. Jerrah botches vet contracts. Lynch (49ers) drafts well enough to overcome some misses in round 1. Veach (KC) Loomis (NO) Good drafter and talent e v a l guy....reckless contract guy.

Rosemans strategy is a triumph of numbers. He aquires tons of picks and then just drafts and drafts and drafts....banking on the idea that of the players they evaluate, they are going to miss on some, so throwing more crap at the wall means more has a chance to stick. It's why when they miss on a Reager or Dillard, they just keep on going because they've hit on enough of their staggering payload of choices everyyear, that they are fine. AND...more important than all that....they hit on Hurtz in round 2 and have been able to build around him well.....better than most. Roseman is a top 5 elite for sure.

A big reason why Vegas has the Bills as a top 3 Super Bowl favorite again in 2023 is because you've already got a good roster. Sure, you could use improvements in places...every team can. It's possible that the Bills already have a strong enough roster (they do) and you guys simply need to execute in the playoffs. That's it. You are getting to the playoffs....almost certainly winning your division again. Will be vying for the 1 seed again. Going to hit a postseason where you need to beat some combo of Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, (and then maybe Tua, Lamar, Pickett, Watson) The AFC is gauntlet at playoff time but the Bills are as good or better. You don't have some roster deficiency holding you back.

How is having top ranked O and D units "Bad Results?" Your playoff losses are bad results, but it isn't because you never got to the playoffs. The roster is strong, you win games and division titles. You've run into some tough outs in the playoffs. Bad Results is the Jets. Bad Results is the Arizona Cardinals.

I think Beane is one of the better drafters out there. You aren't going to hit on every pick. Forget individual games for minute....and keep in mind the Bills have put together a roster that has been high end O and D now for a couple years. You need to hit on all facets, Draft, trades, FA, Undrafted FA...but you don't achieve that without having above average draft success. What's interesting....when you go roster by roster, almost every team has around 50-65% of their starters as players they drafted. To be in the top echelon of teams, you have to have drafted well. AND in almost every case, drafted a high end QB as part of that. Given the Bills are consistently a top team with top units....they are drafting better than many give credit for. It's also true, they could have done some things much better on draft day. Overall, though, Beane is doing a good job drafting.

Someone mentioned Wylie. I don't thnk KC can afford him. He played the BEST GAME of his career on the SB....great time to do that. Wylie has been with KC for 6 years and he's been a great depth piece. Has started many games at OG and OT because he's versatile. Much better at OG than OT, but he started all 17 games for us at RT this season. Andy Ried leaves his OT on islands A TON. Wylie benefitted by having a mobile, Mahomes back there to avoid alot of sacks. Some team is probably going to overpay and try to put him at RT. Bad idea. He'd be a good starting OG but still going to be overpayed. I don't think if I was a Bills fan, that I'd want to pay starting Dollars to a guy who isn't really starter quality. Next...Personally, I think KC SHOULD move on from Orlando Brown at his asking price. He wants to be paid like Trent Williams...he's not Trent Williams. Brown also played his best game as a Chief...in the Super Bowl (great time to play your best) Brown gets beat aroun the corner too much for my liking, and he's not much of an effort guy once Mahomes gets moving too. That said....Kc won a SB with him starting. he's been healthy, and he's not awful...just not great. The question is the pay. If KC could get that guy to take 18 Million per year insead of 25 or whatever he's going to ultimately ask for...might be worthwhile. KC and National media folks thinking the TAG is coming again...I kind of think KC works out a deal (that I won't like) in order to be cap flexible. Tagging him is possible but that will be something like 19.7 million on the cap. KC can do it....but not ideal. Eitiher way...he'll be a Chief again in 2023. Frank Clark was all but gone last offseason but he worked out an interesting deal where he essentially restructured his deal so he was paid what his dead cap woul have been. Given that it cost the same against the cap at that point, KC kept him. Frank had a decent year and he showed up in the playoffs (Like he somehow always does...dude is 3rd in all time playoff sacks somehow) Clark is going to be released as the cap savings are huge. Perhaps they bring him back on a new deal after he tests FA, but he'll be out there for sure. Bills seem to have a glut of younger cheaper DE's already. Marquez Valdez-Scantling is under contract for 2 more years, and JuJu is a UFA. KC can cut MVS easily. KC could move on from both, or could cut MVS and re-sign JuJu OR could keep MVS and just let JuJu walk....or could resign JuJu and keep MVS also. I do not think KC will have both JuJu and MVS on teh roster together next year regardless.... Interesting conundrum. I do think JuJu is the better player, but he's fragile. MVS is reliably healthy and fast...did have hte one playoff game against cincy where he put up some numbers.... I watched MVS all year and it was clear why the Packers never did much more than just run him deep.....that guy isn't an instintual route runner...doesn't have much of a feel for where to run to to get open...isn't a separator, and isn't a jump ball winner. He's very limited. KC wasn't able to develop him further. To me, he costs to much for what you get. If it were me, I'd cut MVS and let JuJu walk. I believe Kc can replace those guys for less money. Perhaps the Bills find one of them interesting. Mecole Hardman might be someone that makes more sense in Buffalo. He is UFA. Speed for days...you can run sweeps, WR Screens, send him deep on go routes...he's not a great route tree guy, but you can do alot with him. KC has his replacement on the roster in Toney already...he won't be back...he's an effecitve weapon if you can get him at the right price and understand what the expectations are with his skill set. KC has some rotational undersized interior D linemen who are UFA's. Khalen Saunders (who recorded a sack in SB chasing Hurts OOB) is fast, undersized, might be worth a try as a 3-4 DE. Tershawn Wharton. Strictly a one trick pony as an undersized interior pass rush specialist. Derrick Nhadi...the only guy form Veachs 1st draft class....and by far his worst draft class. Nhadi isn't very good. strictly a DT that is supposed to be an anchor and run defender...he gets pushed around easily and I'll be surprised if he makes an NFL roster in 2023 Chris Jones is 29 and under contract for one more year. he'll be looking for an extension. I'm inclined to beleive KC gets something done, but there has been talk KC could offer him up in a trade. People point to when the Patriots traded Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a 1. That was a good move by the Pats, but KC does NOT have any depth at all at DT, has nothing coming up even close that could replace him...and unlike the O...there is no Mahomes on D that makes everyone else better. I think they'll spend some money on a 3 year extension and get some cap relief...BUT....it's not a given they wouldn't get a trade offer that blows them away and they take it. I just don't see it though. Still under contract in 2023 Willie Gay and La Jarious Sneed, but due for extensions. Gay took some time to develop, but he's absolutely become what they thought he would when drafted in 2019 round 2. fast, good in coverage etc. Played a strong game in SB...I don't think they'll pay him AND Bolton, and Bolton has 2 more years left...I'd think whatever money they want to spend at LB, will be reserved for Bolton when it's his turn. I do believe they have every intention of extending Sneed. Not much here that can be poached. the core is young and talented...KC has 10 or 11 draft picks (I can't remember exactly) and lots of young talent all over. ...and decent cap situation.

looks like EB is going to be the Commanders new OC. Perfect place for him considering what he's trying to accomplish. Defensive HC. EB will run the O. It's his. Less than ideal situation on O he's walking into. PERFECT. IF he gets this unit to perform...HE DID IT...not ried, not Mahomes. He succeeds in THIS situation, he'll get his HC shot.

....no.....THAT LINE would have won 2020 Super Bowl. Fisher, Schwartz, Duvernay Tardiff all out. Reiter started at C....and was the worst graded C in football that year...so the one healthy guy was the weak link.....Mike Remmers was at LT, Wylie at RT, Allegretti at G and Wisneiski, at the other G...and he was injured most of year and was not a starter. Fishers contract expired, Schwartz had to reitre due to his back injry. Rieter was released and not signed to an active roster by another team the next year (Saints PS) Dr, was traded to JEts and quickly out of football. Wisnieski was done also. KC HAD to rebuild the line...they literally had no line at all. I WISH that line you posted had been healthy...ugh.

Now, if EB brings this stuff with him....damn. Everyone wonders why KC gets dudes open. Andy Ried is brilliant and has players that can execute this stuff. I know you guys don't watch many Chiefs games, but we simply do NOT have a jump ball WR, or a contested catch guy. KC doesn't throw stuff like you saw Philly throw to AJ Brown where you put it up and he goes and wins that ball. Kelce...great as he is...is NOT Dallas Goddart. They will throw high point passes to him that he goes up and wins. KC doens't have those players....they have speed and athleticism and they sheme scheme scheme.

I agree 100 percent. Taking race out of it...If you are selling yourself with a resume that lacks certain check boxes....you gotta communicate well (to the audience at hand) in that regard, EB needs the resume to do more of the communicating, thus he needs to move on. Washington would make alot of sense. Defensive HC, team about to be sold. Gets a year to prove it...probably has alot of lattitude because whole staff is up in the air once team is sold...he makes that offense go, he suddenly has a GREAT resume.

I have some thoughts on this - Everyone above posting that Bienemy needs to get out of Rieds shadow are correct. Also correct he doesn't interview well. Also correct he does have some baggage in his past...quite a while back now. Also probably some truth to the players not liking him all that much. With all that in mind....KC has had other OC go on to HC jobs who also didn't call plays. Doug Pederson, and Matt Nagy. Mike Kaafka was QB coach and is now OC in NY. All Andy Ried Offensive coaches. Kaafka is on track to be an HC probably next year. So there is that. None of these guys had to prove anything to move on. Kaafka also doesn't call plays in NY, that's Daboll. I don't believe the issue is race. I do think EB has poor interview skills, AND the back channel communications among poeple in the know, I believe probably say EB is not well liked. I think EB gets in these interviews and simply can't convince an owner/FO that he's a guy that you can trust to run your program. I don't know if he can or can't, just saying I believe isn't able to make a case for himself...to sell himself to a hiring group. If you want to call that racism...I'll buy into that a little. If you are a black male, who doesn't have the greatest command of the english language, you are going to have a hard time of it due to perception/belief that communication skills are indicative of how smart you are, or how well you might teach, coach, work with a GM, work with the media and so on. You get a red flag. The other guys who have gone on to be HC...Pederson and Nagy...one is doing well, won a SB..the other had a 12-4 season with Mitch Trubisky and couldn't sustain any success....but both come off as well spoken and smart. It matters. EB may well be an excellent FB coach, but if you can't convince people you are, when you've not called plays, and you are relying on selling yourself, you plan, and vision....because the other two had to interview with this limitation as well....then you'll need to make a compelling case, and effectively ccommunicate that. So...If you do believe (as I do) that EB isn't good in interviews....then he needs a stronger resume. The resume he has...OC on team with 2 super bowl wins, top points scoring, yards and all that..hasn't been enough because as noted above...everyone thinks/knows it's andy. From KC point of view - I believe KC would have PREFERRED that Bienemy have gotten a job by now. It's a MUCH better optic when your assistants move on to HC. KC, I'm almost convinced, wanted EB to be a HC last cycle so they could promote Kaafka to OC and keep him. He was very highly regarded inside the building. Kaafka moved on.....So, I am nearly certain the plan is to put Nagy at OC (Nagy is QB coach, the job Kaafka had) when Beienemy moves on. With Nagy in place, Ried will then pick a retirement date at some point and Nagy is HC. I think that's what they want to happen. What do don't think KC wants, is for EB to continue to stick around. Andy dies or retires and then you almost have to make him your HC to avoid bad optics. So to me the most telling thing is, Andy keeps propping up EB every cycle. I think that's genuine. I believe Andy wants him to be an HC and to succeed....BUT I don't think KC believes EB is the best guy for their own HC job if it were open. That's Nagy. Is it right? IDK...am I right? IDK...I will say, EB might actually be a good CEO type HC. I think he's been around Andy long enough to see how a winning operation is run and that he could run a similar program with good assistants if he got the chance. My 2 cents.

No reason to lie about it....it was clearly a hold. Easy to see the jersey being pulled.

I'd have prefferred they completed the pass, got a first down and then ran the clock down and kick. Avoid all this officials suck talk. Why is no one really actually upset at the player who got a big handful jersey right in front of the ref? In the 2018 AFCCG, LATE in the game, with KC leading by 4, Dee Ford lined up offside. Brady threw an INT. Ford didn't have any impact on the play at all. The INT would have secured the game and KC would have gone to the SB. It wasn't the first time Ford had lined up offside that game, but it was the first time he was flagged for it. It was a penalty. He did it. The ref saw and flagged it. IT changed the game. Why not swallow the whistle? It was called correctly. No one was pissed at the ref. Everyone was mad at Ford for committing a penalty. The Eagles DB got a handful of jersey and got a good tug on it. He admitted after the game he did it. The ref saw it and flagged it. Some will say "let the players decide the outcome!" Which players? The ones not committing penalties or the ones committing penalties.?

I enjoy the discourse here. Great site and I like the Bills when they aren't playing the Chiefs. Been following along since the Mahomes trade and the fanbase and Josh Allen won me over. This discussion seems fun..IDK.

LOL....well yeah, but we are discussing and speculating. IMO, the Bills would have been champs if not for 13 Seconds. Now of course anything could have happend. KC SHOULD have beaten Cincy in KC that year, but did not. I believe KC would have handled that Rams squad also. We''ll never know. What acutally happend was Cincy went, and lost to the Rams. Bills best shot was 13 seconds....but it's not their last shot.

Cincinnatti was actually a better squad this season than last year. The Bills were playing at their highest level when 13 Seconds happend. Allen was on point. The Bills would have hosted Cincy for the AFCCG. You can't tell me the Bills lose that game. KC was up 21-3 and it took Mahomes playing the worst half of football of his life to lose in OT. The Rams had all the could handle with Cincy and everyone is all up in arms about the holding penalty at the end of the games yestarday, but in theif game winning drive VS the Bengals, the Rams benefitted from FOUR penalties including a MUCH more ticky tack holding with 1:44 left. They needed all of that to eek out a win. The Bills would have had it.

I'll wait and see what the Jets get at QB. I think Miami is going to be a real B***h next year with Fangio running the defense. That dude knows how to slow down an opposing teams offense. He'll drag you down into the mud. Still take Allen and whatever roster you put out VS Tua and the Miami squad.

I don't disagree with this, but Vegas, as your team currently sits, has you with third best odds. That is Allen. Vegas doesn't much care what you put around him. They assume you'll field a comepetent team.

As other mentioned...Vegas has bills no worse than 3rd for Super Bowl odds next season. I see alot of fans here suggesting fix this or that, draft this or that. Sign this or that....and so on. You are no worse than 3rd in SB odds because of the QB. I don't claim to know what needs to be added, subtracted and so on for the Bills to be better. But I do know that Allen is a QB that you put on any roster and that team has a fighters chance. For a little perspective, and I've seen some posters go this direction....KC only had Mahomes, Kelce, Andrew Wiley (who isn't good) Chris Jones, Derrick Nhadi and Harrison Butker...plus the long snapper as holdovers from the 2019 Winner. KC had an entirely new WR corps from last year. KC had ALL new DB's and Nick Bolton started all year. He didn't last season. Point being that the constant was Mahomes and a few guys. Allen IS the type of QB you can reset / remake your team around completely and he's going to do good things. You ALWAYS have a chance.....and you are always in the discussion when your QB is elite. As Joe Burrow would say...."the window is Allens Career"

13 Seconds....that was your year...you all would have beaten the Rams.

Super Bowl 2022: Rams' winning TD fueled by controversial call (nypost.com)

For the "refs are in for KC" crowd....in tonights game and the Cincy game...KC had TD's taken back by review or penalty. Why if you are fixing it for KC do you take away TD's? That Goddeart 3rd and 16 catch...could have been overtrurned...we've all seen worse than that called a no catch...but it wasn't. KC had Jalen Hurtz stopped on one of those sneaks...and the whistle doesn't blow forever...and they finally push him over the line.... The Refs suck. They suck consistantly for everyone. I can name a ton of calls that didn't go KC's way, bad missed calls. Bad calls made. I can do that for every team in the league...we can all agree the officiating is terrible. But this fix crap is something else...

As a child this is how I felt about John Elway.

If this was Bills / Eagles, Id also predict 31-17 Bills. Cincy was the matchup the Eagles were better suited for. No O line, not a good running game AND no QB that can also run.

I am biased obviously, but I see KC handling this. Top Tier Defesnes do not deter KC. Philly was the most turnover dependent team in the NFL....they'll need to be plus 2 or better. KC going to have a game plan to get the ball out quick to negate Philly pass rush. I think Kadarious Toney has a big game on all the short quick stuff KC will run....and while their attention is on Kelce. KC, if they can get out front....Philly not a team built to come from behind in a track meet. On teh other hand, if Philly gets up early...KC has the confidence and roster to get back in it. Spags has been ON POINT with his gameplans since the bye week. And he had it dialed in vs the Bengals. I expect Spags is up to the challenge here. 31-17 KC. KC up 31-10 late. Philly gets garbage time score.