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I agree with your post. I'd like to add...it seems like eveyrone has already forgotten the series of calls the Rams got in their favor on their game winning SB drive VS the Bengals. At least in the case of the Chiefs game, the guy hit Mahomes well out of bounds. It was a penalty. They threw the flag. It was late in teh game and had a MAJOR effect on the outcome. But it was the right call. Not the same as that very chintzy PI that Logan Wilson got thrown on him at the goal line with less than minute left...or the very iffy one before that on the same drive. My point here is that all anyone even remembers two years later is the Rams won the SB. ...and those calls were way worse.

This was a reference to the movie "The Big Lebowski" Also....for those still confused by the go fund me....it is in fact not real. Jones has already tweeted that it's not him and adivsed people not to send money to it.

Well.....that's just like....your opinion man.

.....I love how KC stole the SB because the refs threw a flag on a play where there was definitely a late hit....and on a play where there was definitely defensive holding...... but those were gifted to us. Also...Jones is under contract for this season. If they don't reach and agreement, he might hold out a while, but he'll report at some point and play....and be UFA in the offseason. He's 30. Hill was 25 when we traded him....so not quite the same thing. I think most fans, myself included, would like to see him sign an extension, but if not....KC is operating kind of like new england did at Brady's peak.....moving on from talent a year too soon or on time instead of too late and getting into cap trouble. The common denominator to the Pats dynasty was Brady and Bill. I do think Jones is a guy who stays in great shape and has 3 years or more left in the tank...but if they decide the 30 plus mil per he's asking for is too much....I'll be fine with it.

I don't post on Chiefs planet....I've said before....just not my kind of place. And I've also said...KC has some really knowledgeable fans...some are nationally known, some are working in analytics... and there is a lot of good podcast/creator types out there, but the forums....eh. Not so great. This place is the best fan forum I've been on. Plenty of activity in good times and bad...lots of discourse and discussion about your team and NFL stuff. I don't know if you guys realize how good you have it. I've also been a long time member of a Broncos community....good group of fans, but it's small and seems to be shrinking as a combo of both the team sucking for a while now, and also, too much infighting on their politics and religion section.

Hey 808....I didn't see this whole thread, but I do see you might be looking for some Chiefs/Bills action? 100 bucks again?

I can vouch for 808. He is a man of his word. Paid me on bet I won a while back.

For throwing flags in plays that were actual penalties?

Allow me to present this in another light.... KC pays big money to Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones...and have spent big on Thuney, and Jawaun Taylor. Some guys who will are up next. L Jarious Snead. They are going to let him walk. Willie Gay. Walking. Bolton. They will look at paying him. Creed Humphrey. Wlll get paid. Trey Smith. Probably will get paid. KC does NOT have and isn't going to have any 25 to 30 million dollar WR's nor CB's. Two things will allow KC to keep Jones, Creed, and probably Bolton and possibly Smith..... They have proven their offense can run with mid and drafted cheap WR. And they are very good at drafting and signing UDFA that are very capable DB's. Also, Justin Rieds big deal will come off the books soon too....KC has his cheap replacements ready to go as well. I think the Chiefs are kind of a stars and jags type team that keeps it going through good drafting. Jones is going to get paid. DT's play well into their mid 30's. Jones is awesome and he isn't "fat" he is tall and lean...and in supurb physical shape. He played the most snaps in the NFL at IDL last year..so he has stamina and is durable on top of that. The Bills should consider plowing money into the O line, and then at positions that Josh Allen can't directly elevate like DL/Pass Rusher....and keep on drafting DB's in high numbers....just rotate them through....shutdown corners aren't as valuable when teams run 3 and 4 wide all the time...you shut down 1 guy with your 25 million dollar QB....most teams can sheme around it. Better to draft 3 or 4 of them every year....and field what sticks...and let them walk when it's payday....rince repeat. Same as WR.

If it hasn't already been said..... Josh McDaniels is a freaking idiot.

....the "far apart" .....is just that today is too far from the end of training camp.

It's been renewed for a 2nd season. I hope they go with Allen as the top elite guy then maybe DAK as the kirk cousins guy that is good but can't get over the hump And then maybe Mayfield or Garropollo as the vet getting his last shot at the job OR ...if you don't go that way, then do Geno Smith....a guy that was cast off to the side for years before getting his chance and making good.

Pretty much

IMO wishing a woman to have a miscariage is worse than calling a woman fat......but you might be right. It's subjective. However you want to look at it. All I am saying is if people want to make something of this particular instance where Toney immaturely and rudely spars with some random fan on twitter and calls her fat etc etc... that's fine. If that's a big deal to someone..that's also fine. To me, it's not a big deal...and neither is Von's texts and so on. It's just interesting that there are still people who cling to the idea that the boy scouts on the team you root for are all angels and everyone else employs thugs and scumbags. That's not the case. Not for your team and not for mine. LOL....more stupid immaturiity. Just own it and say you should have just let it go. he didn't get hacked LOL.

Nothing... What has Toney been found guilty of? Also nothing. I wish Toney was down at the soup kitchen voulunteering and rescuing cats from trees and taking orphans to the zoo. He's not. He's calling random fans fat and ugly. Not great. Either all this stuff from everyone who does it on every team is a big deal or none of it is. You can't call it out when the other teams guy does it but look the other way when your guy does it.

Where is everybody? Did you all go read up on Von Millers less than awesome past and decide this Toney stuff isn't actually that big a deal after all? <crickets> Again...Toney is a jackwagon. He shouldn't have sais this stuff, he shouldn't have let it bother him. He's clearly not that mature and thin skinned. Not that big a deal.

That was a big deal. That guy is in prison now where he belongs.

Here are text messages from a high profile current Bills player to his pregnat GF. I never saw one of you say squat other than this player can help us get over the hump and win a SB. In the alleged texts, HIGH PROFILE PLAYER writes, “Praying for a miscarriage” with a praying hands emoji. He also goes into a rant in which he writes, “f–king disappear!!! and get an abortion.” Additionally, the text messages include a long list of texts in which HIGH PROFILE PLAYER calls Denise a “f–king liar” and says “I should’ve left your dog a– in the streets.” Finally, in a calmer moment, HIGH PROFILE PLAYER tries to initiate a hookup with Denise. He writes that the two can hook up and stop fighting or keep arguing. I don't care about this text or the ones Toney sent. Niether are great....niether are illegal. One guy plays for your team, one for mine. Some of these dudes aren't swell folks. I've accepted it. And so I stand by my point...this isn't a big deal.

I'm not defending Toney. But, I am saying this isn't pretty much a big nothing. He shouldn't have said it. His launguage is coarse. It's immature to let a troll get under your skin. None of it is good. But in the grand scheme of things, some trash talk doesn't register or move the needle much. As I've pointed out earlier, NFL players aren't all find upstanding pillars of the community. Some of them are just not great people. Fine. You aren't in jail? You play for my team? Go win football games and hopefully keep your face and name off the police blotter and TMZ.

Von Miller for example....has way worse in his recent past and I haven't noticed anyone here upset that the Bills signed him and that he's on the team. I am under no illusions that football players are all milk and cookie eating good people. Alot of them are not. If the legal system /society has determined they are employbable and they play for my team on Sunday.....I'll root for them to help my team win. Does'nt mean I condone this or other stuff....but having the expectation that these guys are all wonderful people is unrealistic.

Perhaps I am trying to straddle a fine line here...I am not trying to defend his charachter. He should have just let this go. It's just a trolling twitter giants fan...but this particluar incident by itself,....isn't much of anything. Giants fan - you suck, your music sucks. Toney. You are ugly and a coward behind a twitter account. Say it to my face next time. .... Doesn't really rank up there with worst things ever. Again..I don't condone this stuff and would rather he not be engaging in it or using the language he does. I also know alot of football players come from backgrounds and cultures where this is the norm. I'll take a 65 yard punt return in the SB and his talent at making folks miss...in exchange for putting up with immature twitter exchanges. This event in and of itself....is not a big deal.

no, not at all. I don't have a high opinion of Toney's charachter. But when a guy just disputes another fan and trash talks..this is what constitutes a scumbag? more or less he's just telling the person they are wrong, and to go F off. Not great, but what is there to it other than Toney should know better than to let some random fan get under his skin?

please pointout the what about this makes him a scumbag.

....this isn't a big deal.... Toney shouldn't be engaging with these people, but this is a big nothing. The 3rd and 6th KC gave up for a guy on a rookie deal and who KC hasn't invested any new money into, already paid for itself with his performance in the SB. IF anything, maybe this, and few more of these out of sorts outbursts and KC can save a few bucks at the negotiating table when the time comes.

I like this..... I'll add - Drew Lock is traded to the Packers. Jordan Love will be bad and the Packers liked Lock in that draft before Denver traded up in front of them to take him. Lock establishes himself as the Packer starter by seasons end.