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Has any all-pro Qb ever have such disastrous results in meaningful football to start their career? The great Qbs show themselves pretty quickly and clearly when they enter games. Nathan Peterman is going to battle for a roster spot this offseason that is the reality of the situation. There is a 0% chance Peterman is the opening day starter.

Marino and Farve are also the outliers. Neither passed for over 60% in college.

This is the talk out of both sides of you mouth time of year. They will not show there hand. QB is the a top priority so if they really want a Qb they will have to go get one. Allen, Rosen, Darnold are not going to fall to 21.

That one is on Obrien. He pulled the starter of halftime of the first game. Wataon should have been the starter. But really with Qbs you know what ya got from the first handful of games. Can you handle adversity? Win games you shouldnt? Move your team consistently. .

100% You are forced to pay them. Stafford, Tannehil, and Dalton are all examples as well. Buffalo is not forced to sign Cousins. Flacco had a great year when he won the Superbowl. He carried them into the Superbowl. Bortles has put up big numbers in the league. So i think they are comparable. They are in the next teir of Qbs. Cousins is not Brady, Brees, Rodgers. He is also not Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Ryan. Then the young guys like Wentz, Geoff, Prescott, and Watson have loads of potential. I put Cousins in with Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Manning, and Tannehill. Do you want to pay Cousins as much or probably more than everyone I just said? I do not. 5 Years from now a Qb that was drafted here I think you have to sign him if he is in that range. I dont think Cousins is ever going to be in the conversation with Big Ben and Ryan.

Imo the NFL has a hard time paying a guy that isnt physically impressive or a "Winner". With Mario and Daures they were physical marvels for their size and quickness plus they had a few years of top production. Is Cousins in year 5 going to better than Cousins the last 3 years? Its the chicken or the egg. Yes the Eagles, Jaguars, and Vikings made the conference Championship game with middle QBs. Bortles is still on his rookie deal, For the eagles and Vikins you can add up all of there Qbs respectively and you are sill much less than the cap hit would be for Cousins. By not paying top flight money on QB they were able to build up their rosters to an elite level. Cousins could win a Superbowl on any of those teams but after a year or two they will end up like Baltimore. Flawed roster over priced Qb that fight to slip into the playoffs because they will not be able to bring in FA to sure up the roster. If you are Buffalo you do not have a top flight roster or a Qb so you are stuck in the middle. Draft a Qb get a middle backup and use the money in FA to sure up soft spots on the roster and draft a few guys that can develop into strengths. Because of the way his teams were imo after they got a lead they went conservative. The bowl game is a big example first quarter he had 150 yards 3 tds. After that he only passed on 3rd down for much of game and they ran out the clock. The struggles vs Iowa and Oregon are not that massive to me. He made some great throws his wr had 0 seperation and 0 yards after the catch. Idc who or what qb you are if your wrs cant get open and the line is not giving you much time you are not going to will your offense to win.

Prolific production in College isnt translatable to the NFL either. He didnt have a skill player on the roster this past year that will make it to the NFL. I like his potential that is the part that makes him go sooner is the QB he is today is not the Qb you expect him to be.

The Senior bowl and Combne are not going to really change his evaluations. Imo he has generation arm like Rodgers, Stafford, Marino, Farve. He is a major reason why Wyoming had its first back to back winning seasons in 30 years. Senior bowl and combine will be on interviews and his dedication to football. I think he will do as well as anyone. Big, strong arm Qb makes alot of sense for Cleveland and that division.

When Brady cant take advantage. Brady has been fantastic of taking the benfit of 50/50 penalty and turning them into 6. Many teams have gotten lucky penalties or bad calls the differance is Brady scores Tds when other teams get Fgs. You cannot play NE not to lose as well. All said and done up 3 55 secs left in first have why dont you try to get atleast a fg.

So you wanted Kizer and are a superior elevator. No one knows what Manziel would have become if he didn't have a drinking problem and wasnt a C level internet celebrity. Everyone has had misses and hits it is irrelevant. If you like or dislike a prospect explain your position and that is where conversations happen. Some people see and like different things in Qbs. Some people only see the guys who are on the first 15 mins of Sportscenter Saturday or Sunday morning. I agree I like Allen, saying you liked Kizer and didnt like Manziel doesnt do anything with the conversation about Allen. Do you like Allen because of his arm strength and size? Is that why you like Kizer and not Manziel? The reason i like Allen and his ability to make 30 yard throws and dropping them in a bucket or launching a missile of a throw in a three foot window down the seem like Rodgers, Farve or Marino.

Its an interesting discussion but at the end of the day Jordan never lost in the Finals. In his prime there was never a discussion if he was the best shooting guard in the league. He is talked about the best player ever. No one is saying Tom Brady is the best football player ever. There have been 2 more prolific Qbs during Bradys career. Manning and Brees both have better numbers across the board. Brady is probably closet to Jordan in any sport in terms of clutch. The overall body on record is not close.

He acted and starting performing like a nobody. If he was playing to the same level he was signed at this would be a non story. You can get away with all the other stuff if Sunday's for 3 hours you are one of the best players on the field. When you are not meeting your performance expectations the other things become a problem. He has steadily declined in performances for 2 years and his diva tactics wore bare.

That is why the time is now. There are actually 4 legit Qb prospects not a year where there is none. Buffalo will even be a friendly landing spot for a Qb.

Literally, Buffalo could make one of the larger packages seen in recent years to move up and have a full complaint of picks for the remaining rounds in 2018 all while not cannibalizing the 2019 draft to do so.

With the compliment of picks Buffalo has they are not mortgaging the farm. They are using the return on an investment and not touching the farm.

If they turn out to be Wentz or Goeff it is not enough

The success of Tre White really diminishes the value of the extra first rounder. It is really extra and moe complementary to the player they drafted last year. They also have an extra Second rounder and if Gaines is retained that is truely anextra 2nd. Both 1's one of the 2's and next year 2nd or 3rd makes it happen. Buffalo would have much better Qb prospect the franchise has had since Kelly. Buffalo still would have a complement of 7 picks this year. They can make a big package and not be stuck with a draft were you got a Qb and nothing. They can get a franchise caliber Qb and 2 potential day 1 starters and use the cap space to fill the holes on the roster. It makes complete sense to me.

I agree with both of you. I dont expect to land Cousins so I would be pissed if any of these mocks is how the first rd went. These only work if Buffalo lands Cousins. IMO Buffalo has two options this offseason, sign Cousins or trade up for a top 4 Qb. Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield. Outside of those outcomes the QB position is still stagnant and Buffalo will not have the the picks and capital to make a move up the board for a Qb after this year. There is a chance that any of the top 4 picks could be had. Two are highly likely Indy and one of the Cleveland picks. The other team is the Giants and there new GM is Gettleman just so happens to be Beane's mentor. They need a massive Oline up grade we got a LT on the outs and 2 early 20 picks where you can get the best guard and right tackle.

I expect an extension with Benjamin. Glenn, Taylor, and Hughes are all on the block. Hughes probably cut, Taylor traded or cut, Glenn traded. If they sign cousins I think you keep Glenn and have 2 solid tackles. 21 and 22 defense. Mike and Dt. Second rd I go Rb and speed Wr or athletic Te. FA is going to set the tone of the draft. There are 2 ways they go Cousins and Draft to fix the roster. No Cousins a few more Vetran Defenders and Draft capital used to be aggressive for a Qb coming out.

IF they do not land Cousins they best trade up for a Qb.

If they trade up all that way for a MLB i may be done with the team lol. Get a stinking Qb not some flyer in the middle rounds.

We are not talking runningbacks here. The no tread is a cute way of saying inexperienced. I dont trust Qbs when a team is willing to trade them within their own division. Cleveland was offering a hefty price but still.

It is an intersting dilema. Teams that are a qb away do not have enough room for a 20 to 30 mil cap hit for a qb. When you pay Cousins that amount of money your roster is going to suffer. Is he a qb that will push his team through with less than ideal circumstances. Its a legitament question. He hasnt shown that with the redskins.

Good Jay cutler is better than any Qb play Buffalo has had since Kelly. Rosen is the best passer of the football in the draft. He isnt big but as a pro athlete he has time and room to add muscle to his frame. His frame is a bit of a concern. The concussion thing is even larger a concern to me. If he passes the medicals and background checks and is willing to add some muscle i would go all in on Rosen. Yes i would to that for any of the three QBs Rosen, Allen, o Darnold. Imo they are a step above Jackson and Mayfield. Those 2 would be my plan c. Unable to get Cousins or Luck i would look to move to in to the top 3 or 4. unable to secure a trade i would look to move up a spot or 2 to land Mayfield or Jackson. I am not that high on Mayfield but like the potential Jackson would have.

Like him or hate him I understand his thinking. Normally they set it up for McShay to just go right at him when they are contradicting each other. The truth is both feel Allen has the highest potential with the most natural tools than any Qb. Darnold and Rosen both have their flaws so it is not obscene for Cleveland to go with the northern Qb with the thickest frame and strongest arm. This also would be what Buffalo needs to get Rosen or Darnold.