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That's a good point, I am just not sure how it rates moving that far back even with back to back picks.

I am using what has actually happened not a value chart not that it doesn't have merit. When the Rams put up the 2nd overall pick for RG3 it was to the highest bidder not a value chart. If the Colts or the Giants especially were to do that the cost will not be near what the value chart says because there are a lot of QB needy teams. Agreed. Allen to me is the guy scouts gush over in terms of potential which happens wayyy too often but the results never equal what you hope. Mayfield would be really fun.

Dude wtf does it matter? By the time you would get a true final result with any of these QBs or the two you have massive crush on from last draft your GM either will be here because he drafted his QB right or gone. People like you live in this prism that the rest of the team does not matter and literally everything is the QB or nothing. Second you basically want your team to lay their cards completely out for you on how exactly they view the QB's something no team every in their right mind wuld do. For as much as the NFL is a QB driven league the talent on your roster still really freaking matters as does your coach. The Bills had about 15 holes walking into last season and still have about another 10 to fill this offseason. They calculated correctly that this draft would have more QB talent, got a lot of picks to go after one and build the rest of the roster. If you look at some of the biggest successes at QB in the NFL they walked into situations where the team had talent so as the grew as a QB the rest of the roster was there to go from Brady to Rodgers and on the inverse biggest flops because of lack of talent/coaching.

Agreed which is why I don't think they move unless they like Mayfield and he available at 9 where they could swing with the 49ers. I bet they would take both 1sts and a 3rd next year (something like that). The Giants truly are the real wildcard. IF they decide not to go QB they could hold that 2nd pick for ransom pretty decent which I do think we have ammunition for. I'm just not sure they would want to go all the way to 21st even for say 3 1sts like the Redskins did.

With the draft nearing and excitement building for hopefully a new Bills QB drafted a lot of us have wondered what it would cost for the Bills to slingshot high up into the Top 5 range. Here are three recent examples we can base off of: Eagles get Carson Wentz Had 13th pick traded Kiko, Byron Maxwell, & 13th pick to Miami for 8. Then traded the #8 pick, their third-round pick, their fourth-round pick, a 2017 first-round pick, and a 2018 second-round pick for Cleveland's 2nd overall pick Cost: 2x 1sts (draft year plus 2017), 2nd 2018, 3rd rnd, 4th rnd, and a LB/CB which was a minor salary dump that no one understood on Miami's end haha. Eagles Draft Capital left: 3rd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and a 7th Rams get Jared Goff Had to trade their 15th pick two second-round picks, and a third-round pick in the 2016 draft along with a 1st and 3rd round pick in 2017. Rams received 4th and 6th pick back. Cost 2x 1st's (draft year and 2017), two seconds, two 3rds (draft year and 2017) for the pick. Redskins get RGIII Had to give three 1st round pick 2012 (22 that year), 2013, and 2014 plus 2nd round pick for RGIII. Cost: 3x 1st's and a 2nd. Realistically if the Bills are going to move up they are looking at giving 2x 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and either a 3rd or 4th round pick. Each trade route had a situation that cost a player or another draft chip. The Redskins would be the closest comparison for Buffalo because they picked 22nd in 2012 and managed to rocket up the board. Given the QB needs by a lot of teams in this draft my question would be would a team like the Giants or more likely the Colts who have a long term future plan a QB take an offer from Buffalo like both 1sts, 2019 1st, a 2nd, and Cordy Glenn? I truly don't know if that is enough ammunition because that is still a sizeable drop. I think IND maybe would consider that because it could help their offensive line and help replenish their roster, but if your Buffalo are you willing to do it if Rosen and Darnold both go 1-2 and your already down to the 3rd pick. These are the type of scenarios I think McBeane is having to consider if they really do plan on moving up.

What has he proved? Watson I get because we passed on him and so did a bunch of other teams and he was surreal last year. But the Mahomes buyer remorse makes zero sense to me when the guy played one game which didn't matter and was a typical rookie with some good some bad. With the fact Watson is good statistically its actually worse odds that Mahomes works out given the hit weight on first round QBs. Its insane how when a guy hasn't played more the a single game if at all people freak out like we missed on the guy when his trajectory is more likely Blaine Gabbert. I was one of the skeptics on Goff because of the system he played in at Cal and his first season being so awful. But he was able to prove a lot of us wrong. QB's are incredibly hard to predict and if the Bills draft Rudolph Im gonna hope for the best. Unless your name is Luck Manning or Elway someone doubted you I could see him as Flacco pre knee injury or even a guy like Golf who in the right scheme can be accurate and hit some deep throws.

Glad to see you disagree with the team that just won the SB and took out NE. I'm sure your fan perspective will be taken in full account this off season. As one poster said Wentz won't be ready until minimum week 4 and they have zero reason to rush him with Foles who they could then trade at the deadline if all looks good.

If the Bills trade a 1st for Nick Foles I wouldn't buy tickets for a single game.

Oh then I 100% agree with that. A lot of people I have heard clamor we should move to the Top 5 and I'm like the cost would potentially be for that both 1sts 2nds and probably next years 1st and another lower round pick or two. Otherwise with this years capital you might get up to where the 49ers are.

The two names to watch and see are Eason and Stidham. Both are big QBs at 6-5 and 6-3 who play with major programs and have all the major traits you want in a top QB. Eason was actually expected to be a potential top QB this last year until his injury. Stidham grew leaps and bound as the season went on and he was sensational against Bama this year. I could see those two rocketing to the top of the board if they have strong seasons. Drew Locke is nice but I don't think he has the potential of those two. Francois from FSU has some real potential but that knee injury is a major question. As for the rest well we shall see.

Draft Capital is not overrated. Statistically you hit on around 33% of your picks and the goal is always to have more picks especially in the first 3 rounds to increase your chance of hitting more. The Patriots and Ravens are brilliant with having a ton of picks and if you look at how many good starters they get later in the draft its pretty stark of how much the draft is just a gamble and you want more chances. In regards to the Bills selecting at 21 and 22 remember we just drafted Tre White at 27, Aaron Rodgers was drafted 24th, and Johnny Manziel was drafted 10th when Derek Carr/Teddy Bridgewater were drafted 32nd and 36th. Simply put you really don't know and need to hope you have your homework done while getting a little lucky also.

Alex Okafor is a guy I really would love to see brought in. Even if we draft a QB I love the idea of McCown or Keenum as the starter. I think the team could still be very competitive and their good culture guys. Paul Richardson I'd want but I think he will end up being a bidding war and Mike Wallace could do the same for less.

This is brilliant i lost it reading this.

They will become like Cowboy fans. Bad seasons tons of tickets available and you will have games like the Cowboys did where 49ers fans took over like 50% of the stadium. AND then any semi good year "The Patriots Are Back" will be floated all over media wise and the bandwagon will be in full force.

Josh Allen - BUST. This guy is Rob Johnson, Paxton Lynch, etc.. every QB where scouts gush over physical tools and not the artwork or lack there of. Darnold - HIT. I think regardless of the situation his floor is that of Joe Flacco pre ACL tear (he hasn't been the same since) and potentially could be a ceiling like a Philip Rivers. Either way your getting a guy who will keep you set at QB for 10 years and for a team like CLE I think that'd be huge. Rosen - 50/50 depends on who drafts him. Talent is there but how will his bravado be received. I would love a QB like him but some GMs fear this kind of player and what it could do locker room wise. Frankly a team like the Giants nabbing him and having him sit to learn behind Eli would be perfect and I would expect him to do well. But on the inverse send him to the Jets and have him start right away and he flames out. Mayfield - HIT. Whatever team drafts him that entire division will be hating him for 10-15 years. Reminds me of a young Brett Farve in terms of confidence and I could see him project as a Steve McNair type potential just hopefully longer career. Lamar Jackson - 50/50 depends on who drafts him. I think with the right coach and team he could develop into a solid starter that is like Alex Smith. But I think he needs a year to sit and if a team like Arizona were to draft him and start him right away he will flame out. Mason Rudolph- 50/50 depends on who drafts him. I have been up and down on him all year yet compare his stats and style and he is pretty similar to Derek Carr in college. He is someone who a year of seasoning on the bench would do wonders for and if he can manage to be drafted in the 2nd round would have far less pressure. But I just see him getting drafted in the Top 20 but someone who is going to reach and from there he better hope he has some good WR's and an OC that can put him in a solid scheme otherwise could be a flame out.

I voted playoffs for a few reasons: -The drought hung like a noose around the franchise neck that for years dictated decisions most of which were atrocious -It brought true relevancy back to the franchise nationally not just because we signed Mario Williams or got Rex -McD coached a team that talent wise was 5-7 wins and got them to 9. Since 2012 season on we have had quite a few teams that had more talent that should've made the playoffs and didnt. Yes they got lucky but I will still give the rookie HC credit and view that as a positive for now -As a fan it was really fun the whole time. 2010 when we were top 3 was not fun and dreadful throughout -They have enough draft capital that if they want to sell out to move up to get one of five QBs IMO -There hasn't been a free agent QB market with this much to offer since ...honestly not even sure -Feeling the pain of losing in the playoffs felt better then the previous 17 of being eliminated in December or earlier. I forgot how much it sucks but in a weird way it was cool because it meant something mattered. I'm 29 and know very little of playoffs so this was really my first experience to watch it with my dad and my wife and I'm sure for thousands of others it was the same.

My understanding is long term window not short-term. I don't think anyone is betting the next year or two against Brady/BB but that train is stopping really soon. SF has a potentially franchise changing QB and JAX just needs a competent one with that defense to both have a 7-9 year window at least.

So I was alive but between the ages of 2-6 so I have no memory so I won't comment too much on players. But I have watched SB 25 and the biggest thing was the defenses inability to tackle. They missed god knows how many tackles or went for a big hit instead of just doing a basic tackle. That and the time mgmt at the end stuck out more to me then any player or kick for that matter. The only other SB I have watched and would comment on is SB28. The Bills seemed to play not to lose and more or less just lost it mentally the moment Thurman fumbled. For that I do blame Marv, Kelly, & Talley on defense. The game was tied 13-13 at that point, it wasn't like they were down yet they played and acted like it. Your head coach and two big team leaders need to step up and get the boys up regardless of previous history. You knew Dallas was going to run Emmitt in the second half hard so then run the ball and clock yourself to slow things down to regain some composure. It was like quicksand and once things started hitting the skids they couldn't get out of their own way and to Dallas credit they overpowered Buffalo once that happened.

JAX is coming to BUF fyi

Haha I get it. I am a refugee from BBMB so I am still learning my way around. I really don't try to attack people and I enjoy disagreement. I think you reach a better place as long as both sides are civil and sometimes I have found the others persons point by the end to be more correct then my own. In general most posters on here I think are pretty good unless we descend down the Patriots tunnel which some real hardcore bias show from certain people but that is what it is. I actually think we will see a run on QB's in the top 15. This class especially has a ton of potential and there are a lot of teams willing to gamble I think to see what a guy like Josh Allen could do after a year on the bench. Personally if the Bills could somehow get up to the Niners spot at 9 without sacrificing both 1st round picks I'd be pumped.

So I look at this pretty regularly because I am insane. Anyway the NFL very very rarely has a team go back to back with opening home or away. The Bills opened last year home against the Jets so I would assume we will be away to start. Here is the 10 years: 2017 Home vs Jets 2016 @ Baltimore 2015 Home vs Colts 2014 @ Chicago 2013 Home vs NE 2012 @ New York Jets 2011 @ Kansas City 2010 Home vs Miami 2009 @ New England 2008 Home vs Seattle Only once have we been back to back and that was 6 years ago and they really try to balance that as much as possible. Also the Bills have requested for years to front load the schedule in the months of September and October due to the bad weather we get later on so even if we open away you can bet they will have bunch right after home. With the NFL's ratings issue the days of Buffalo opening with or at New England frankly are not high given their TV draw and they probably get a night game against an AFC opponent like KC HOU or IND. Continuing the Bills played the Jets to open last year and typically within the first two weeks we play a divisional opponent. I actually think we open on the road at Miami myself but I could also see us at someone like Houston or even Indianapolis. The schedule typically drops the 3rd week of April but leaks usually happen pretty regularly leading up to that starting in March.

They didn't resign Antoine Winfield because they felt he wasn't worth the money which resulted in Nate Clements pick. Clements was decent enough but Winfield was a far better and had a much longer career. Price was also not resigned because of money although at least they got a pick for him at the time. I would never say Ralph milked it because he did want to win but I think between the CBA agreement which he was firmly against and Donahoe not working out he became very very stubborn until the end. I remember the one off season when they spent like 90 million on offensive line help, but he wouldn't sign Jason Peters. In 2010 he did want Bill Cowher but Cowher didnt want to coach and the Bills were in a real shoty place roster wise. I think he just really didn't like the structure of contracts until the rookie wage scale came in. The time between post Donahoe 2006 to 2012 really stick out as the dark ages of irrelevance especially with the ownership uncertainty. Once they signed Mario Williams I think it finally signaled a fundamental shift in the organization to at least acting a bit like a 21st century football team. They still have a ways to go now and I would never say Mario Williams signing was a true success, but that really to me sticks out now as the end of the really dark days.

whoops changed it to Josh McCown my bad.

Same here. I still think even without cap relief Thomas/O'Leary still give equal benefit and they can use the roster spot elsewhere

I hope I am wrong because I really would like a new QB through the draft. But from what I have read and how the team has acted they don't strike me as the type of bunch that would trade to move up which I think they have to do for one of the QBs and I think they want a ferocious defense that can limit an opponent to under 20. They flat out said if the offense scores 24 pts they should win every week with their defense.