Rochesterfan

Then I will ask again - should Meyers have been awarded a TD on Hamlin’s hit. He got 2 feet down and moved the ball from his shoulder to his hip. Then he got drilled and it was correctly ruled incomplete. 2 feet and control is not the rule - it is part of the rule. To make a play like Poyer’s acceptable- has consequences like making Meyers a TD. It also makes potential catches into fumbles. Based upon how the NFL calls catches - they absolutely got it right - you want to change that - fine but then people will get pissed about plays like Meyers becoming a catch because it occurred in the end zone or if that Meyers hit occurs in the field that being ruled a fumble.

Yeah I mean it is not like he just threw for over 620 yards at a 77% completion rate with 2 TDS and no Ints in his last 2 games or anything. I think he is a leader because every player on both offense and especially defense talk about him as a leader. I think he is a leader because I watch him communicate and adjust the Dline and Milano and switch up the defense and communicate with the safeties to coordinate the 3 levels to get everyone in the best position. The very thing we have been lacking the past 2 1/2 games when we had to go very basic shell coverages. Mostly I think he is a leader because of how his teammates rally around him and speak of him and how that was missing with him out.

That might be, but he clearly gets 2 feet down and that action causes him to fall - therefore the way they teach it is no matter how many body parts or tucking action occurs - he still must maintain the control. If all of that had occurred 3 more feet in bounds and he flew as he did - got both feet down and continue to fall - his knee, hip, and shoulder all landed in bounds, but his head hit OOB and the ball moved - possession would have been established after his head hit OOB and it would still be incomplete. The reason I say be careful is because any rule change where tucking might be considered a football action could have unseen consequences- such as a WR diving for a catch in bounds - gets hands on the ball and 2 feet down. As he is falling he tucks the ball and it comes loose as he hits the ground - based upon your new definition- that would be a catch and a fumble with the potential for a huge turnover.

How should they change it to make that a catch - because you have to be very careful or you end up with a bunch of unintended consequences. The rule is set pretty standard now for actions where the player makes a catch that causes him to go to the ground. I am all for examining it, but I think that in pretty much any scenario- that is an incomplete pass. I do not see what change you make that allows a player that loses full possession of the ball to be granted a catch or interception OOB.

The turf never matter - it is at what point the action of a catch is complete and in this case the action is not complete until he has survived hitting the ground. The ball moved when he landed - so the action of his completing the play occurred as soon as he re-secured the ball and at that point he was OOB. Should the pass that Hamlin broke up been called a TD? The Receiver caught the ball very briefly with 2 feet down and got drilled before he could move and the ball came loose. They define in the rules and via study what makes a catch and what doesn’t - some are close, but neither of them in the game last night were particularly close. Poyer clearly lost control when he hit the ground - it was pretty obvious and should have been called live, but was so easy they didn’t even need to have the Ref look to overturn. Hamlin’s hit also clearly caused the receiver to lose possession before he could make a football move.

I guess I really do not understand how anyone could not understand the ruling. The Refs got it 100% correct and even though it sucks - that is exactly how that call should go based upon the rules. Poyer did everything right - caught the ball and worked hard to get both feet down, but that action caused him to fall to the ground - now the rule becomes he must maintain control of the ball through contact with the ground. Poyer clearly loses control as the ball moves when he hits the ground. The fact that he regains control without the ball hitting the ground is meaningless. The “official” catch does not occur until he has control and is on the ground in this situation and that occurs with him well out of bounds. If that had happened in the middle of the field it is an interception at the point he regains control, but as that occurred OOB - it is just incomplete. There is nothing crazy or controversial about the call - it is pretty consistently called that way along the sidelines and just because it negated an Int - doesn’t change they got the call correct.

Wow look we get Edmunds back and the defense is suddenly significantly better and the passing windows much tighter and harder to hit. Almost like Edmunds is a huge and vital piece to the defense as both a player and a leader to get the team ready. 🤦‍♂️

Because as you go later and later in the season - a high priced player suddenly becomes more and more affordable as it becomes a per game basis. Teams near the salary cap could suddenly pick up a stud WR week 16 or 17 and it cost less than 1 million against the cap. I would rather see no trades - you got you team and then anyone off the PS and FA pool - than see the trade deadline extended so mediocre teams can buy a cheep championship.

Agreed, but not only that - using your example maybe the Chargers who right now are middle of the road - use the deadline to buy Leonard and Pittman and become a better team along with weakening an opponent. I think the trade deadline is fine - much later and it has to much potential impact on the seasons outcomes.

I don’t think they asked him to go back in. McD would never do that. McD said after the game they had no idea he had torn his ACL. I think Doyle got hurt and knew he was the last OLman and he just gutted himself through it. I don’t even know if Doyle knew it was ACL - just that he hurt his knee, but was needed and so he kept going.

I believe being on PUP his contract will toll and he will be a FA again next off season. I believe the Bills threw him a nice bone to allow to rehab with the potential late in the season that you might have a guy you can activate that knows the system. Plus you did him and his agent a huge solid - good chance if he is showing good rehab - you have a priority spot to sign him again - if you want.

Wow - there you go!

I don’t know if I can contain myself until the end of his forced vacation.

I just think people are missing how this staff works with rookies when they can. They recognize most rookies play 10-13 games a season with several weeks of downtime in college - especially before bowl season. The Bills seem to work to allow as many rookies as possible to slowly work their way into playing time and when possible alternate or give them plays off - so they don’t hit the “Rookie Wall”. It also allows the Bills additional training and teaching time to ensure they are closer to being ready to handle the bigger games later. I think they have been slowly adding to cooks playing time and we will see that continue. I think the Bills were asking about RBs, but I do not believe either the CMC or the Kamara talks were anything beyond very preliminary questions to see if they could get a deal. I think the Bills are happier with the RB room than the fans are. We will see.

That is not how it works - unfortunately your understanding is incorrect. If you catch the ball and while you have control it hits the ground - it will remain a catch. If your hands are under part of it, but before you have control it hit the grounds and bounces up - then it is incomplete. Milano clearly had his hands under most of it, but it clearly hit the ground between his hands. I think it was the right call and I would guess the league office took a quick peak and said the call was fine.

I think since the 2nd best team in the AFC was a home dog to this Bills team - I have no issue with spread. The spread is designed for betting and after getting beat by the Pats and what they showed - I would expect a 10+ point win. The Jets are right on par with Pittsburgh and that was 2 TDs. We will see with Detroit on Thanksgiving, but I would assume 17+ with the others.

What do you seriously think the spread should be? One team is winning on Defense and a run game - now minus their best runner and OL that just let Mac Jones move down the field on them to the tune of 6 scoring drives. One team has a top ranked offense and defense and has beaten the previous SB winner, and the division leaders of the AFC divisions one the road for 2 of the 3. 🤷‍♂️

Are the Jets taking Rodgers, Jones, etc or are they going to try to copy with their less than adequate offense?

How many 20 yard runs did they give up - I counted 2 both on the same drive. They gave up more passes of 20 yards than runs.

Because being up by 17 - the only thing that could beat them was Rodgers passing the ball. They just do not care about Stats - they care about the win and running the ball down 3 scores was giving the Bills the win.

Because if you switch up the Defense to stop the run - then you allow GB to move toward more passing. They did not care if GB was running the ball because it was eating clock and keeping the Nickel kept them from passing.

I just think they are not rushing anything and there are currently no open roster spots - so no sense in having to create a roster spot until you need to. They have been happy with the play of the youngsters - play them again and see if anything happens that opens a spot for you. If not then you make the deal and figure out who to cut and make a spot for him. He seems to be moving around fine - so let him keep practicing and make the move on your terms.

MGK - totally agree - I have started several responses and just deleted them - wish the Mods would cut this one loose or at least ban him from starting threads. What a waste of space.

Whether legit or not - the timing was based upon his Plea bargain in September after the start of the year. The plea bargain gave him 1 year probation and 40 hours community service. He just completed the community service - so that closed the book on the case and then the NFL suspends him. He only got 2 weeks because of the plea bargain and he completed the service. I don’t think the NFL threw the Chiefs a bone timing wise - I think with the Chiefs intimate knowledge of NFL suspensions they gamed the system. Many times these court cases get pushed off until the off season - hence guys get suspended to start the next season. In this case they pushed it off until after the start of the season - got it reduced - then had him complete community service heading into the bye. The NFL may have been kind by only doing 2 games, but I think the timing was fairly standard for these types of things.

Teams want young and offensive coordinators - the 2 things Leslie is not. Older Defensive HCs are for holding down the fort until you can get a QB - see Houston. Leslie should be everything teams want in a HC - especially with his embrace of analytics and his processing of teams and teaching and letting his position coaches coach, but very unlikely he ever gets a shot.