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Not according to the OP. I believe the quote was we have not drafted anywhere near enough high impact players. LOL

Agreed - Question Beane with what these guys have drafted and retained. 🤦‍♂️

It pisses you off, but you still watch it - along with tons of other fans and because it is so popular and because people flock to it to see continuous action - you get this experiment. The Monday night games have been bad for a number of years and the NFL and ESPN are trying to find ways to keep more people involved and if it takes 2 mostly simultaneous games to ensure there is action for fans that are not invested - then this makes perfect sense. if no one watched Red Zone and Mixed NFL channels - then this would not be an option, but they seem not only to be popular, but growing in popularity with betting and fantasy football and to me this is a brilliant attempt that I think will get more play going forward to get more football overlap.

It isn’t- they want the overlap to test out the RedZone style format that is highly popular. This is not some random ill thought out idea - this is the NFL and ESPN looking to the future and ways to give them more and better games for the money. It also is a way to ensure eyes on TVs to increase revenue dollars and ensure - even if one game is a blow-out - they have available action to keep viewers. If will continue to grow and expand, but there is 100% noting wrong with this. Much like Amazon Prime - it is an attempt to engage fans with the things they like and see how that can make a more monetary experience for the NFL while keeping fans engaged.

1st - I like that crew way better than Aikman and Buck - who I think are just terrible. They were bad on Fox and terrible as the only pair. I wish we had the Manning cast as that is at least entertaining. I have no issues with what they are doing - they are catering to the majority of fans to bring more viewers in. Good for the NFL and Good for ESPN. I personally will watch the single channel game and don’t want split screen, but considering the number of RedZone and NFL mix channels available- this format makes so much sense for the modern fan and ensures eyes on TVs a lot longer as there is not just 1 potential blow-out game where most of the nation shuts the TV by 9pm eastern.

I understand what you are saying, but the truth remains many, many, many fans watch things like the Red Zone channel - TV flipping between games where the action is rather than you deciding what to watch they decide. In addition things like the Sunday Ticket offer several mixed channels where they might be 2,3 or even 8 different games on at the same time and you can choose which broadcast to listen too. I know it seems crazy, but I think ESPN actually got this right. They want more diversity of games to help ensure there is action going on to prevent loss of viewership. They also want the ability to collect NFL AD fees at a better time to maximize their profit. I have no issue with what ESPN is doing - I will switch to ESPN2 for the Bills only version - just like watching a single game on DirectTV, but I wish this was more permanent because there are many weeks where I would prefer a split screen over Dallas/Philadelphia or Seattle/Denver games.

On the I-Pad - when I selected the game - instead of hitting the watch button - you scroll down like you want to see other episodes of a show or “similar” shows and there were 4 broadcast options. - National Feed - National Feed - Spanish Audio - Prime Vision - National Feed - Dude Perfect Simulcast The Prime Vision was absolutely awesome - I thought. You got a bit more of an All-22 look, They had names of either the offense or defensive game changers. They used motion to show certain routes and runs with the lines right on the field - just like when you are watching highlights. It was very busy, but on the side you had a tracker with relevant things like win probability (needed to update faster), 4th down Go versus punt or go versus FG graphics, limited stats, who the team has looked for on 3rd down, etc. They also ran a “tracker” along the bottom with quips, stats, funny tweets, relevant things going on, just tons of info. I thought it was fantastic - although some of the data on the sides and ticker was not updated fast enough for the next situation- for a first broadcast- they did great. I loved how live they had the data from the players sensors seamlessly embedded into the live video. I could of done without the Dude Perfect simulcast as they are no Mannings, but it was a similar idea - people talking about everything as the game is on-going. Just no where near as good or relevant.

They also lost their Center - Linsley - in the first half. I watched the game on our Firestick and then moved to an I-pad and thought the picture and sound were fine. I did have one small hiccup where the load rate dropped, but I have the same issue with Prime when I watch movies and with the NFL app when I stream a game. Typically a closing of the app and a reload fixes everything.

It is part of the reason people think PFFsucks. Lamar was not good against the Jets. Tannehill was alright against a weak Giants defense. Mahomes was brilliant against a previous playoff team - not a top 5 team. I love Josh, but even if you take away one pick - he still had another that was not great, Mahomes just completed everything with 5 TDs and no picks - sure seems like they should be closer. 🤦‍♂️ Add to that Burrow being out all preseason with appendicitis- not even able to practice and you have a recipe for what happened Sunday. I think they will get better as Burrow gets more comfortable, but I don’t think that is the upgrade at OL that the media envisioned during the off-season.

Terrible take. This was an absolutely terrible trade when it happened. Jamal Adams - a box safety - for even 1 1st round pick is a fleecing, but Seattle gave up 2 and extra picks. Terrible. In retrospect- the trade has only gotten worse as Seattle has watched Adams not live up to the hype, repeatedly get injured, and then way overpayed for a guy that can no longer cover and makes no plays. There is nothing Seattle can say or do to make this look better - they made one of the worst trades ever and then have watched as it gets worse and worse each year.

In that game with no injuries - yes they gave Kumerow plenty of snaps - especially blocking, but a few routes. The issue that I was responding to was if Diggs or Davis actually got hurt and just because they played Kumerow in the outside role as a breather for Diggs - does not mean that would be exactly what was done if Diggs or Davis were missing time due to injury. To look at that scenario- I think the more appropriate look would be to preseason games where Diggs or Davis were out and in those games - McKenzie and Crowder both got a few snaps outside (along with Shakir). That leads me to believe in game - you would see multiple people filling in - including Kumerow, but I don’t believe you would see Kumerow as the primary outside guy to replace an injured WR at a time you were still playing significant offense. He would still be used to spell guys and get a few snaps. Maybe I’m wrong, but when you are resting a guy versus an injury - I think that changes how you utilize depth. We have seen that with McD on the OL where a back-up might come in to finish a series if a starter got dinged, but as soon as there was a break - they reconfigured the OL before the next drive and shifted players around to get the next best group. I think the WR would be the same, if a starter goes down - Kumerow maybe gets a few snaps, while they decide how Crowder or McKenzie could fill the role and then they go forward with a slot guy working outside for the rest of the game and Kumerow goes back to filling in for rest breaks - maybe a few extra snaps, but not the rest of the game.

The only thing I will disagree with is that I think ideally they want to hit that outside of Brown. Knox and Gilliam double team outside with Gilliam peeling off to take the lone DB. Gilliam was leading that rush to the outside of Brown. Davis is settling in to keep the inside DB from getting to that outside hole. The block is actually right in the middle of the hole inside Brown. The LB on Brown makes a great play by stacking outside - which based on keys has Cook read to the inside shoulder of Brown, but the LB maintained leverage to fall inside and help make the play. I think Cook read the play correctly, but he lacks a bit of nuance. I think Devin on that play is a touch more patient and gives a look like he is cutting inside to try and help Brown (as the LB would begin to move inside allowing more leverage) and then Devin peels off to the outside. That would also have given Gilliam another step to slide off his block and set up the last DB. I give big props to the block by Knox - taking his guy way outside and Gilliam coming through to assist Knox and widen the potential hole. The entire play was well blocked, but the defense found a way to make a play. I will be a touch critical of the fumble, but Cook is a totally different runner and the timing was not quite right.

Agreed - I do have a major issue with the result - Cook has to read that play and protect the ball when players are coming from all sides, but Cook never had a fumbling problem at Georgia - so I will chalk this up to a learning experience. Can I also say that for as much as Bates struggled - I think he handled Donald on this play by keeping him inside and allowing the hole to be there. I think Donald helped by going inside, but Bates did not let him get back outside to the hole.

Maybe, but that is not what I saw really. Elam did not have coverage of Kupp more than once or maybe a second time in the entire game. He is not anywhere near as comfortable as Benford in zone, but that was known going in. Just like once White returns and if the Bills decide to play more man - Elam will way outshine Benford in that setting. Elam was not great, but he also wasn’t terrible and got 30 snaps where he was never a Stafford focal point.

You might be correct at that exact moment, but as the All-22 photos posted a few posts later show - a split second later the Tackle starts to get outside leverage on Brown and the Keys call for him to read that block and cut off Brown. There was space, but I think he actually made the correct read as they forced him back inside.

So it sounds like you agree with me - although I am confused because you disagreed with my previous post and sound like you are arguing here with the same point I am making. It has not been the hits the QB takes running downfield that shortened the careers - the hits that Ben took were mostly behind the LOS in passing attempts, Rodgers injuries while throwing, Cam’s shoulder injuries while throwing - to me those are the more worrisome injuries. There have been guys that scrambled and ran their entire long career - like Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Archie Manning. Of course hits matter because any one could take a player out for a year, but many more QBs experience severe injury while behind the LOS taking a hit - than out in the open field. I am less afraid of Josh getting a serious injury running than I am of a play like in LV or like Rodgers took - where he takes the hit after awkwardly completing a pass and lands on a shoulder and breaks something that way. I also have a bit of a fear with him sliding as unless he gets down early - as a big bodied guy - it will be very easy for a defender to target his head when Josh slides because it is still so far off the ground.

Ok - even if you want to consider him mobile or not - did those hits cause him to have a shorter career and more injuries? That is the crux of the argument. Big Ben was cited as a player impacted by all of the hits, but the reality is he played 17 seasons - a very respectable number for a QB and his biggest injury came in the pocket throwing a ball - when an elbow tendon popped - not an injury attributed to the hits over the years as it is seen by baseball pitchers all the time from repetition. Matt Stafford has a similar though less severe injury from non-contact throwing.

No he was never mobile. He exceeded 40 rush attempts 1 time in his career - as a rookie - for under 3 y/c. He could slide around the pocket, but he was not mobile and could not run. He was a big, tough SOB to bring down, but he was never anything like Cam or Josh. Almost all of the hits Ben took through his career were behind the LOS and while in the pocket.

I hear that - just not sure it is true or just a common misconception. Cam was still very active running at the end of his career. The running and his legs were fine and he was routinely still active in QB designed runs in NE and then Carolina again. What killed his career was the injuries to his shoulder and not the cumulative effect of his QB runs. Twice he had major shoulder injuries that occurred when he was passing in the pocket and got driven into the ground. Those injuries were not due to previous hits - they were one off random hits of a guy that was trying to make a play. The effects of those 2 hits and the required shoulder surgeries lead to the overall lack of strength in his arm that limited his passing ability and caused him to no longer be a viable QB. Even at the end he was still effective as a QB when he ran. In his last 2 years about 23 starts - he rushed the ball nearly 190 time - over 8 rushes a game. He just could no longer hit a pass beyond 10 yards. Big Ben as you said was never mobile, but the accumulation of hits he took were all in the pocket. His change was mostly age based - of course the hits might slow you down a touch, but age has a bigger effect and again after his first 10 years as he learned how to better attack defenses - his hits went down and his passing got better. His last couple of years - he learned to get rid of the ball quicker and had a higher completion percentage and some of his lowest Int % of his career. Josh could easily get hurt running the ball - it happens (less frequently to QBs than hits in the pocket), but it could happen. The thing is - the injuries that are more likely to shorten a career or impact a career are much more likely to occur in the pocket or as he rolls out - like in LV where he lands on a shoulder with no ability to brace. The Bills will work to lessen his rushes, but Josh in game mode whether 1st quarter or 4th up big - is going to try to do everything he can to make a play - so unless they are taking the ball out of his hand - I think we are still going to see Josh out in the open field bulling over guys - that is who he is.

I don’t really understand this point. Neither Cam nor Big Ben were effected by running the balls or hits taken outside the pocket. The injuries that did Cam in were the 2 major shoulder injuries that occurred in the pocket while passing. He was still fine running at the end - he lost all strength in his passing due to the shoulder injuries. Big Ben was never mobile, played 17 years, and passed more than ever at the end of his career. If Josh is able to play 17+ years and has his best passing seasons late in his career - that would not be a bad thing.

Notice LA is not even listed with their own home opening and banner raising. I know the number of potential viewers in LA is huge, but moving back to LA for 1 - let alone 2 teams was dumb. Both teams are Super Bowl contenders and both played at home and both had to use a silent count in their own stadium on offense because of the fan noise. Embarrassing! 😳

I know and it is one of the hugely frustrating parts of his game. The 2nd part of that is if the lineman had beat him there - Edmunds based on his history would not attack the lineman to drive him back - he would square up and give ground to slow the WR in this case (or RB usually) down and maintain his lane to allow pursuit to make the play. I know he looks like a physical freak, but I really think people need to think of him like a smaller DB out their. That is how he plays the position. He does not attack blockers like a typical MLB - he plays space and lanes exactly how a smaller DB plays the game. He plays football in this defense not to make a huge hit and destroy or blow things up - he plays leverage and prevent the big play. It can be frustrating to watch at times, but I imagine they are getting taught everyday - keep the play in front of you and do your 1/11th. Make them drive the field and covert 3rd downs because we feel teams will get overly aggressive and miss a shot or we can get a stop. Do not let them get that chunk play and that my friends is exactly how Edmunds plays. I do not know if that is all him or he really takes to the coaching speak, but he epitomizes exactly what the staff preaches and it is why fans get frustrated with the staff and why they get frustrated with Edmunds as a player. It is also why the staff love him and speak highly of him.

I believe the way it works is if you are in bounds and are still established in bounds in the end zone - you are fine, but if you leave your feet where you are no longer established as in bounds - the ball must be inside or they will mark you down where the ball was when you last established yourself inbounds and that is why you see those guys contort their body to get the ball back inside the pylon as the dive along the goal line. Additionally if you were running down the sideline and dove and got hit knocking you well into the white OOB, but were spinning Ala John Elway - if while you are in the air before landing - if the ball crosses the goal line inside the pylon - it is a TD. If on the other hand you spun with the ball out of bound and that hit down first - even if part of you body landed in the e zone - if you were out of bounds first - the spot is were the ball left the field of play. Think about the Superman dive Josh did a couple of years ago and how he worked super hard to ensure the ball hit the pylon. That was critical for the TD. There was another scramble where he got knocked out of bound inside the 10 - he was extending for the first down, but the marked him short and people got mad, but they marked him at the point where the ball crossed OOB as he was in the air because on landing he was no longer in bounds. It is just a bunch of goofy scenarios that happen a bunch and can be critical, but they do a piss poor job of explaining on TV.

For example - if Josh is rushing toward the sidelines - his feet are in bounds and he dives to avoid a big hit and nothing has touched down out of bound and he slings it sort of side arm and the ball stays over the white out of bound the entire way and Diggs dives with both toes down in the end zone and the ball is beyond the goal line- it would be a TD. The ball on a catch does not have to be in the field of play - just the QB and the WR. The ruling is the QB threw the ball while established in-bounds and the receiver caught the ball while established in bound - where the ball went does not matter as long as the catch was made beyond the front of the goal line. Now take that exact scenario, but Diggs is coming back toward Josh at the goal line - he dives at a 45 degree angle to make the catch. His feet are established in the end zone, but his hands are at the one yard line outside the end zone. It is a catch, but the forward progress is not to the feet for a TD, but to where the ball was caught - so it would be downed at the 1 yard line - even if both feet were in the end zone. The last part to this is in this second scenario- if as Diggs dives and makes the catch - he extends his arms trying to bring the ball past the goal line before being down - either touched or OOB - if he brings that ball past the goal line and it is inside or over the pylon it would be a TD. If he extends his arm backwards, but the ball does not hit or go over the pylon it is still out of the field of play - it is not a TD and the ball is spotted at the spot it left the field of play.