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Personally - I think when Jackson was pressured on the pass rush - he thought he was going to break through with an easy pass to the end zone. Hamlin read the play and was super aggressive in attacking the LOS and I think that caught Jackson by surprise. I think Jackson then looked to bust to his right away from Hamlin and saw Poyer coming to that side. He then stutter steps and looks to cut back - hoping Hamlin over pursues, but catches a toe and sort of stumbles down. I mostly think he was not expecting the speed and athleticism of the 2 safeties to come up and be in position to stop him and that got his feet out moving his head in a crucial spot and down he goes. I also believe his previous run - which got them to the 10 - he outflanked Edmunds and did that little stop to let Edmunds over pursue and cut off that and he got drilled by Milano flying in as Edmunds stayed in position. I think he had that in his mind as he saw Hamlin coming and Poyer to the right side and again his brain got ahead of his feet and he tripped himself up.

Because the NFLPA can not do anything to the team doctor - only the Dolphins can reprimand him. On the other hand - the NFLPA has the right to fire the UNC - although the NFLPA could not provide examples of mistakes and stated he was confrontational as the reason he was fired. Sounds to me like they just scapegoated him.

Agreed - wonder if it has to do with him already being called up twice and knowing Jordan is going to be out again. They can only call him up 3 times - maybe it is stick close - we are going to sign Zimmer an activate him and then resign you if we get any more injuries. They have had to call up a bunch of PS DL to cover for Phillips, Oliver, and Settle already this year and may be thinking ahead to ensure they can cover the rest of the year if something else happen.

Except Weeks 1 and 2 - Elam and Benford were switching off every 2 series to give each guy time throughout the game. It was not mop up snaps in the 4th - he was out there at different points throughout the game. Sal - said the plan was to rotate them giving them both time to get acquainted and help switch things up so they could not get easily targeted. I would hold off a bit because the Rams and Titans do not have great WRs, but the Miami game both he and Benford held up well against true WRs and a questionable QB. The Baltimore game I thought he held up well - Andrews (a lot of Taron), Duverny, Bateman, and Robinson are all legitimate receiving threats and they had in previous games attacked a lot down field getting guys open and He and Dane held up well. KC will be a different kind of test, but at this point I am very happy with the games Elam has shown.

Excellent - saw this after I posted - it shows it perfectly.

I had not either, but Brate was pulled several series later and the doctor stated it happens in the background and almost never changes, but interesting that right after Tua - something similar happens to Brate.

I am not exactly sure what they are required to do. For example on NFL radio today - they were talking about Cameron Brate’s concussion last night. He got hit and they tested him - he was cleared of the protocol and went back in to play. The guys stated that the UNC and the team doctor are required to perform the testing again every couple of series because some times the delayed effects. Brate on retesting was deemed to have a concussion and was pulled out at that point. So even though Tua cleared it is possible that the expectations are that he would get tested in case of delayed effects. I had never heard of the multiple testing, but the UNC the NFL guys were talking with said it is standard and done - just rarely talked about.

I expect Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, and Shakir to be ready to go. We have Hodgins and Austin on the PS. Stevenson also just completed his 4 game IR stint if we want to activate him to fill Crowders spot on the roster. I think we are fine.

Except that is not true. If a lead blocker is coming through a potential hole - it is Edmunds job to go hit that blocker in the hole. The idea is to fill the hole and ensure the blocker is removed and there should be a free defender to attack the hole and make the tackle. That defender is usually Milano or Taron Johnson. That was what happened at the goal line TFL by Milano. Edmunds met Ricard in the hole closing the inside lane and forced the outside path. The DL took out the the pulling Raven - allowing a free Milano to attack the play and make the tackle. To man people think LBs should always avoid the blockers, but in this defense - each player has a role and when done properly - there should be 1 free defender the majority of the time to make a play - the difficulty is against a running QB like Jackson (or Allen) the QB is no longer a non entity and it potentially takes away the free player advantage.

That is correct. I believe Singletary went down because he felt the Raven coming and wanted to protect the ball and ensure he did not get pushed-dragged into the end zone. At that point the Bills still needed a 1st down to ensure they could run the clock out.

To me it is the major problem with analytics. The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather. I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh. Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them. The Int destroyed that possibility.

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary. They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down. That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout. I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone. It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.

And just did the same with Bates.

That is probably the best way to think about it. Now with all that said - I would not be surprised to see if practicing and the 21 days start for him - especially since we have an open roster spot if that want to see if he is ready for this weekend. We will know more as they get back into practice.

I don’t think that is correct. The 21 days refers to the point they move him from inactive PUP to Active PUP. Sal talked about Ike - who is also on PUP and most likely will not be ready until week 12 or so and then the Bills can move him to active PUP and then use their 3 weeks.

I believe you guys are combining a few rules. The Bills can move him to active PUP to allow him to start practicing and that starts the 21 days. The Bills do not have to activate him yet though - that is their choice. They can leave him on inactive PUP for the season as long as they want. Once they move him to Active Pup - he can practice without taking a roster spot for up to 3 weeks and then they need to either place him on the active roster or IR him. For example - Tre might be ready to move to active PUP and with the Crowder injury there is an open roster spot if they want him active Roster, but Ike who is also on PUP might not even be looked at until week 11 or 12 and that is fine.

I believe other than game 1 they have been forced to call up 2 position players for DL and CB to help cover for injuries. They get limited call ups and had to cover the injuried spots first. Maybe Johnson gets called up one we get through this rash of injuries and they have a spot to call him up. It looks like versus Pittsburgh - we are going to need WR and maybe 2 WRs or another DL if Phillips isn’t back - so I do not see a spot o Johnson this week. JMO

It is not necessarily for you - we all do it. We pitch our tents on a mountain/hill and die there. It is good to have discussions back and forth with proof and reasoning as that helps us grow. It is bad to have back and forths where it is - I think this and I am right - especially when everyone else is going - wait maybe you need to look at this. I don’t know maybe it is just the new world, but there must be room for opinions if people have valid reasons that they share.

People are more than willing to have constructive criticism - he issue is the few that push a narrative, but do not really discuss. They just keep stating the same incorrect garbage over and over - even when there has been concrete proof to show the other side. For example - here was a huge complaint by a specific poster about how McD was to blame for not challenging the Davis “catch” in the Miami game. Tons of proof as provided stating why it was not a TD, but the poster just kept repeating it was a catch with no poof. It is fine to present your case, but when you are the only one that sees it a certain way and your whole reason is that is how you feel - maybe express yourself once or twice and then move on rather than making it crusade over and over.

We have one that started this thread and also started a thread about it was better when the Bills were losing. That is the subset of fans we are dealing with. You are correct - they will never be happy and will complain about everything with coaching until we are back to the Jaurons and Rex Ryan’s and last in the division.

That is exactly what I thought - they can call up Austin or Hodgins from the PS, but use the roster spot for White. Then see where we are next week.

I believe tomorrow is the earliest to activate him as there is still a Monday night game so week 4 is not technically over yet. I would assume depending upon other injuries and how they want to handle things - the Bills will move him to active PUP this week, but only promote him to the active roster if they have the roster spot available. I think they would want to get him several days to get into “football” shape and moving around others before placing him in a game. I expect they are looking at KC and maybe using him in a few minor roles helping out as CB/Safety in coverage to build him back up - especially as Elam, Jackson, and Benford have looked good when in place - although KC is a different beast from the teams we have played.

Basically exactly what you were told in the other thread. This is not a catch because in the act of making the catch - he goes to the ground (due to the tackle) before completing the catch and therefore must maintain the catch through the ground which he did not do. It is very different from the Davis end zone play, but neither were a TD based on how the league rules catches.

My biggest question with Denver was always coaching. For all of the complaining Wilson did in Seattle - I think Pete Carroll was the perfect coach for him and did a ton to let him sort of play the loose, free style he plays. Without Pete and on a poorly coached team - things fall on Russ that in Seattle just got deflected away and this has shone a spotlight on that odd personality that Wilson has. In my gut - I think Wilson is an over the top introvert that is playing in the most extroverted position in major league sports and the move to Denver is not going to end well as Russ is not the leader people expected.

They have struggled many times with the QB sneak. Most notably the game against Tennessee at the goal line, but other times prior to that. Mitch is not a big bruising center and Josh has issues taking the snap like that from under center and the two have caused issues even in games where he has gotten the first down like Dallas on Thanksgiving. In addition Josh has taken some big shots in QB sneak situations - I think his height and size makes him a bit awkward and he does not get that surprise snap and lean. Early years he was consistently good at getting first downs, but as the OL has struggled in the run game his ability to burrow forward has not been as good and they have been stopped - so I think they have sort of pulled it from the playbook for now.