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So... has the board suddenly shifted to this? I'll say this. All our QBs looked pretty darn good tonight, and that makes me happy. If Peterman's TC and preseason isn't a fluke (like last year), then I feel good even with him starting, primarily because I think our OL is much better than most thought it would be, just as I suspected. Which begs the question of whether it's really a good idea to let our Franchise QB get killed behind the terrible scrubs at OL out there in the 2nd half. Good thing Allen is big and athletic otherwise I think he's already on IR.

Anyone notice that for the 2nd half of Thursday's game we will probably see Josh Allen probably with Corey Coleman at WR most of the time? We could potentially be watching a preview of the next decade QB to WR1... not saying either will happen for sure, but you typically don't see something like that play out in the 2nd half of a preseason game.

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Joe B: 7 observations from 2018 Buffalo Bills training camp - Day 10 2) Peterman, Allen with a bounce-back practice- On Sunday, the performance of all three quarterbacks was less than spectacular. That day was one of the less impressive days of the group through training camp. However, on Monday, Nathan Peterman and rookie Josh Allen both had one of the better practices of camp thus far. Peterman started off the day completing each of his first seven passes, and they weren't just little dump downs and throws behind the line of scrimmage. Peterman was pushing the ball down the field and giving his targets a chance to make a play where the coverage was a bit tight. He ended the day 8-of-10, but this was as close to the version of Peterman that we saw during the spring. As for Allen, his stat line of 4-for-8 surely doesn't stand out, but it does when you provide the context of it. Two of his incompletions were blatant drops -- one that hit Travaris Cadet in the hands on a perfect deep pass that split the cornerback and safety in zone coverage, and another by Rod Streater that got both hands on it along the left sideline -- and another was a great throw over the middle that cornerback Breon Borders made a great play on to break up. Allen also had the lone touchdown of the day, a fastball that he somehow fed into the gut of Ray-Ray McCloud over the middle of the field while a defender was all over him. Of his 10 practices, this one was right up there as one of his most accurate.

Checked 1st page. Checked 2nd page. Checked last page. How are people not more excited about an incredibly low risk (sounds like we lose a 5th at worst, is that right?) and incredibly high reward acquisition???? Love it!

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Your point is that the unknown is hard for us as fans to evaluate. I 100% agree. All we do is hear names and read practice reports from people who don’t have full context, so it’s at least incomplete, if not unreliable. Luckily McDermott— who’s now approaching 2 decades of NFL coaching and has a wealth of other experienced assistant NFL coaches to lean on—has had daily practice exposure through in person execution and studying practice film after that I can say pretty confidently that evaluation won’t be so hard for him. In other words, if he’s a good coach and is as meticulous as he sure appears to be, he’s going to know where the weak links on our team are going into Baltimore. When I said I prefer to embrace the unknown while you seem to fear it, you missed my underlying premise that unknown to you and me is not and will not be unknown to McDermott.

All good points. And what you say is absolutely possible!

Boy... you had to respond to a clearly hyperbolic word I used rather than just saying "good point," without even having to concede your own point? You go ahead and keep fearing the unknown. I'd rather embrace it

Do you think the only position McDermott is assessing is QB? There seems to be this universal belief that our OL is going to suck and that belief is one of the main driving forces behind the reasoning as to why we shouldn't start Allen and I find it odd and a little humorous. I've said many times if our OL is atrocious, Allen shouldn't start. However, I've also said many times I think our OL is going to be a helluva lot better than expected. McDermott is going to have a level of comfort he needs with every player at every position in order to start him. Do you think McDermott and Beane were just like, "oh well, we aren't happy with our OL, but we'll just deal with them sucking for the time-being" OR Could it be that McDermott and Beane--reliant on scouting within the team, throughout the NFL, and in college--are actually very happy with the OL roster they've assembled? Unknown is not always bad... Actually, more like unknown to fans is probably not unknown to coaches and GMs. You're responding to me, and no he doesn't have enough of an arm to make all the throws... at least he didn't in 2017. See almost any throw to the sidelines last year. Here's one:

It was over a week dead and you bumped it?!

You're awfully defensive and vitriolic (not to mention nonsensical) responding to a post that contained none of that. Did I strike a nerve because I nailed it and you were one of those posters? If you weren't see blinded with old man's rage you might notice that I don't think this is the mindset of all the Peterman homers and that I don't even think there are many of them. See the first 4 words of your post, repeat them back to yourself, then take some Prozac, or smoke a joint, or do whatever you need to do to chill the hell out.

Soooo... if Allen looks ready in Training Camp and Preseason, are you saying wait til you really know he's ready??? How do you determine it, then?

I think it varies, but one faction of the Peterman "homers" (and honestly I don't think there are more than a few off the deep end, but I mean those holding off just that much longer from saying he shouldn't start) I think rolls over from some who were avidly anti-Tyrod and defended Peterman in the Chargers game with comments like "but Boca said 'he didn't even block me!' so clearly the OL just stopped playing!" These are people who saw Peterman as a preseason hero last year and wanted him to take the reins from Taylor last year and might still be a little bitter and are unable to accept what is a fairly objective and basic observation of Peterman based on his play: Noodle arm + Hero ball = Terrible starting QB Hence... Peterman = Terrible starting QB

Just havin a little fun... What's listed 3 times in there?

I think at this point there's a strong, non-homer argument to be made that Allen has a greater percentage chance of winning the starting QB job just based on 3 things: 1) Talent 2) Performance in a Bills uniform in 2018 3) Work Ethic 4) Talent 5) Teammate observation and Influence 6) Talent 7) Allocated money among our QBs

Dude, you're all over the place. You say you've seen Beane's quote where he states, very directly, that Allen's going to be the 3rd QB in the depth/rep "through the first preseason game, and then we’ll adjust from there and decide, Are we going to keep it the same? Are we going to give him more reps? Or are we going to give him less? Everything is earned here." I mean that's Beane very directly saying that, in fact, Allen's 1st preseason performance matters and if he plays really well in that game they might give him more significant reps than previously. He says absolutely nothing about Peterman or McCarron there. I think you overestimate your ability to distinguish what is said from what is meant.

Really? I was thinking the game would be a little closer given that we're on the road and that we'd only win by maybe a FG, but definitely one score. But I'll take a blowout victory

Always been fine with McCarron if he wins the job, I just think (and prefer) Allen will end up winning it because he'll just progress and outshine the other 2 guys.

No, not according to, ya know... our GM... https://torontosun.com/sports/football/nfl/bills-gm-first-preseason-game-could-be-pivotal-for-rookie-qb-josh-allen "I think you give everybody the fair amount of reps now. Right now we’re going with Nathan and A.J. with the majority of the ones and twos, but giving Josh at least a period a day – at least. And we’ll do that through the first preseason game, and then we’ll adjust from there and decide, Are we going to keep it the same? Are we going to give him more reps? Or are we going to give him less? Everything is earned here. And again, right or wrong, we’re not going to say that by this day we have to have a starter, or by this day we’ll know if Josh is going to be the No. 1, the No. 2 or the No. 3. We’re just going to let these guys compete."

I thought Gunner was English, not Irish... doesn't that make him more of a Newcastle guy? Not that it matters much, but I like Guinness... I like Newcastle... I like Heineken... I like Sierra Nevada... I like Kirin Ichiban. Nothing wrong with being a worldwide beer lover Agreed

Who the hell is eating humble pie? Anyone like the OP who thought Peterman would start? It will be McCarron or Allen. Isn't this obvious to everyone, yet? I still think Allen will start right away, but McCarron might, which I'm fine with. Peterman won't. Soooooo.... you actually think Peterman still has a better chance of starting than Allen?

I'll be fine with McCarron starting, so long as it's not Picked-off-again Peterman. I agree Nate's chance of starting is less than 10%. Maybe I'm a little swayed to Allen at 50% and McCarron between 40-45%, but I really think the fact that McCarron hasn't truly separated himself from the other 2 with his play--yes, I realize McCarron got his 2nd straight day of 1st team reps today, but I just think everyone knows he's the guy who starts preseason game #1, so they're getting him ready. But Beane already said Allen's chances of playing in 2018 will largely hinge on what he does for that 1st preseason game. So, that game next week is yuuuuuuuge!!!!