transplantbillsfan

I'm going to use this as an opportunity to make an quick observation about the state of the board and our times in general. Posters on this message board (and in society in general) aren't willing to look past headlines if they aren't happy with them or disagree with what they think they say. It's happening plenty in this thread and here's a good example of it. You didn't have to go look for that scouting report on Proehl. I posted it and copied and pasted the excerpt you posted and more.

I think that's what everyone hopes, including McDermott who had to play some role in trading up to get him last year.

Changed it to most significant I write titles after the post itself, so if it's a longer post sometimes I'll use a word that would be better as another word because by that time, I'm just done. Forget overlooked, I meant significant.

It's not like McBeane view Dupre or Reilly as sure things considering their lack of regular season action last year. Gotta believe Ray Ray and Proehl were BPA so late in the draft. And thus far it sounds like both of the latter are outperforming both of the former.

I would like to see him make the team, but I think we're hearing more good things about Ray Ray and Proehl so far. I fear Reilly might just be another preseason all star for us we somehow let get away who finds success with the Patriots.

May???? You actually think Summer starts in May????

Gee, I see threads that directly address our WR corps where the last posts were May 20th, March 29th, April 29th, and May 25th. Soooooo... you have a basic understanding of when Summer actually is, right? I think the fact that nearly a month and a half separates the last post of those threads and the start of this thread makes your stupid condescending remark unnecessary. You found one thread with its last post on June 21st. That's the first day of Summer, just to let you know. It was over 2 weeks ago. How are threads made about other WRs on other teams directly discussing our WR corps. I see how a thread about Emmanuel Sanders, Demariyus Thomas, Julio Jones, etc. could evolve into a discussion about the state of our own WR corps, but they don't directly address it. You should do yourself a favor and just ignore me because your crusade against me is blinding you.

1000, huh? Give me a link to two. Hell, give me a link to one. I went through the 1st 3 pages of the forum before posting this, as per protocol, and I didn't see a thread topic directly addressing our WR corps. Are you confusing QB and WR?

Changed the title just for you fellas

I'll say right off the bat that I think our WR corps on opening day in Baltimore is Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Jeremy Kerley, Rod Streater, Ray Ray Mcleod and Austin Proehl. (I hope Brandon Reilly finds his way on that list and I think Foster has a really good chance to make the team or at least get on the PS) But truthfully, how much is our WR Corps actually settled right now??? Kelvin Benjamin. That's all we absolutely know, for sure, right? So, we're left with about a dozen other guys battling it out for 4-6 spots, depending on how many McDermott wants to keep. Who makes it? We still have Andre Holmes and signed Jeremy Kerley, but how interested are we really in them? I don't even think Holmes makes the team. Kerley might. But aren't we intrigued by the young guys???? Rod Streater is my exception here, he's not young, but looked damn good last offseason. Perhaps he's ready to burst into the league? Kaelin Clay and Quan Bray just seem like journeymen already, don't they? Zay Jones just HAS to be a helluva lotta better than he was last year, right? We traded up for him in the 2nd round last year!!! Not to be taken lightly... Then you're left with... Malachi Dupree (clear team investment) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/malachi-dupre?id=2558095 Strengths Has desired size and athletic ability. Experienced at multiple receiver spots. More talented than production would dictate. Tracks the deep throws like an outfielder and can adjust catch positioning without taking his eye off the ball. Consistently solid catch rate throughout his career. Adjusts to low throws and balls behind him to make the catch. Looks to turn it up the field quickly after the catch. Dips low and drives through cornerbacks while stretching for additional yardage. Small sample size during freshman season gave hints of his downfield potential. Weaknesses Lacks upfield juice into his routes. Vertical push doesn't appear to threaten cornerbacks. Needs to play faster off the snap. Slow to sink and open on curls. Needs a greater commitment to nuances of route-running in order to improve his separation. Tends to tip his hand early allowing cornerbacks to match his patterns. Stalk-blocker with marginal aggression and sustain after initial contact Robert Foster (played under Dabol) http://draftanalyst.com/robert-foster Pos: Underrated receiver who was never a big part of the Alabama offense. Fights with his hands to separate from defenders, tracks the pass in the air and works to make receptions away from his frame. Gives effort as a downfield blocker and gets positive results. Quickly releases off the line of scrimmage and immediately gets to top speed. Neg: Does not play to his 40 time or judge deep passes well. Marginally productive. Analysis: Foster has the size and speed to line up as a third receiver but needs work on his overall game. He must learn to play to his 40 time and become much more productive to have a career at the next level. Brandon Reilly (fan favorite and BEAST last preseason) http://draftanalyst.com/brandon-reilly Analysis: Reilly is a solid athlete with upside but a prospect who must improve his hands and consistency Pos: Marginally productive college receiver with solid size/speed numbers. Displays terrific focus and concentration and fights to come away with the contested pass. Uses his frame to shield defenders, extends his hands to offer the quarterback a target and keeps the play in bounds running after the catch. Effective blocker in the short and long field. Neg: Lacks naturally soft hands and double-catches throws or outright drops them. Lacks deep speed and cannot run to the long throw. . Ray Ray Mcleod http://draftanalyst.com/ray-ray-mccloud Pos: Smallish receiver whose greatest value at the next level may be as a return specialist. Displays quickness, uses the sidelines well and creates yardage when the ball is in his hands. Runs sharp pass routes, fires into breaks and separates from defenders. Extends his hands to make receptions away from his frame, fights to come away with tough receptions and effectively creates yardage after the catch. Easily makes receptions at full speed and looks the ball into his hands. Neg: Lazily comes off the line on occasion. Struggles in battles. Must improve his ball security. Analysis: McCloud is a creative skill player who can be used in the slot, but his bread and butter will be special teams. Austin Proehl http://draftanalyst.com/austin-proehl Pos: Small but incredibly quick receiver who plays much faster than his 40 time. Fluidly releases off the line of scrimmage, sells routes and can turn it on in a single step. Displays a deep burst, easily makes receptions in stride down the field and displays focus and concentration. Comes back to the ball, adjusts to errant throws and consistently snatches passes away from his frame. Possesses quick, strong hands. Neg: Small and struggles in battles. Lacks true deep speed and a second gear. Marginally productive returning punts. Analysis: Proehl has size limitations but is a natural receiver with outstanding quickness and the ability to separate from defenders. He offers potential as a slot receiver and return specialist if healthy. Cam Phillips http://draftanalyst.com/cameron-phillips Analysis: Phillips was reliable at the college level but lacks the size, speed and natural pass-catching skill to be anything other than the last man on the depth chart. Pos: Productive receiver with average upside for the next level. Quickly settles into the open spot of the defense, tracks the pass in the air and displays terrific hand-eye coordination. Extends his hands and looks the pass in. Keeps plays in bounds and works to pick up positive yardage. Runs solid routes, stays low out of breaks and separates from defenders. Neg: Not quick releasing off the line of scrimmage, plays to one speed and lacks downfield burst. Does not snatch the ball cleanly away from his frame. Not much of a threat after the catch.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939509/article/ranking-divisions-by-quarterback-nfc-north-nfc-west-top-list For the sake of this exercise, I'm going to lift up the division by projecting that Allen and Darnold will play sooner than later. In fact, I give both a chance to start in Week 1. Especially Allen. I don't want to hear about AJ McCarron. And spare me the Nathan Peterman nonsense. The Bills smartly traded up for Allen because he's the next Carson Wentz and oozes talent. I believe in Darnold, too. I hope he wins the Jets' job. Meanwhile, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. And Tannehill is a guy.

This isn't necessarily an argument of what should happen (although that's kind of built into the discussion), but an argument of what will most likely happen. And relating to that and disregarding whatever tangential argument of what model we should follow, you chose 2 QBs who started week #1. The other guys who didn't start week include 1 QB who had a vet QB with tons of experience in the regular season/postseason/Super Bowl/pro bowl in front of him, and one QB who sat behind a vet with like 5 career starts over a 7 year career, which looks familiar, and it's worth noting that while that rookie may not have started week 1, he was inserted in week 2 and started week 3. Talk about a quick autocorrect. Same thing happened last year with Trubisky and Watson. I think you're focused too much on what you believe we should do rather than what is simply most likely to happen. And right or wrong (I guess we can debate that, too, though that's based completely on opinion), Allen's chances of starting are way way way higher than the crazy 5% number you threw out there. Very simple question to end this post: if Allen is the hands-down winner of the QB competition this Summer--meaning he's the best QB and everyone can see it--do you actually think he (and the team) is best served on the bench as we start the season?

You're right. Nothing has changed. Allen's odds are still about the same as they were, though the fact that he probably exceeded performance expectations in OTAs and Minicamp have probably increased his chances a bit. The other thing not changing is you're still stubbornly refusing to concede that his odds are significantly higher than the 5% chance you initially claimed he had.

Fans are the ones with this "protectionist mentality." Luckily, that's really not generally how coaches think. The best QB over the Summer will be the guy who starts. With very few exceptions, that's how it's always been.

Link?

Good for you. Fortunate timing on your part to change your mind. I wanted Mayfield and Darnold, too. And even though I was talking Mayfield up the most before the draft, Darnold was the guy I had my heart set on. Mayfield was the sexy girl with the tramp stamp new to town who flirted with me in HR every day. Darnold was the cute girl who was my lab partner for a couple years and let me take her out for coffee a few times. Allen is the arranged marriage my parents' forced upon me against my wishes immediately graduating HS, but luckily she brought beer, is attractive, and has the same sense of humor. I don't know if she's any good in the sack, yet. Rosen was the girl I wanted my parents to choose, since I wasn't allowed to choose, but right after I found out My parents chose Allen and I asked why, they told me it was because Rosen has syphilis and gonorrhea. And I saw Rosen walk into the free clinic the other day, too. Parents know best.

Why? Because of who we play? First of all, no one really knows if the Ravens, Chargers, Vikings and Packers are all really going to be that good. We play this game every year: "Well that's a Loss!!!" I'm tired of that game. Remember the 2-0 Big Bad Broncos last year? Or the 3-0 Frightening Super Bowl runner-up Falcons with the reigning league MVP the very next week? Or the Cardinals in 2016 in week 3 coming off a week 2 thrashing of the Bucs? Or the 3-0 and rolling Patriots the following week in Foxborough? Or week 1 in 2015 against the AFC conference runner up Colts and their all-world QB Andrew Luck? This game of circling Ws and Ls is silly. No game in the NFL is a gimme. No game in the NFL is an automatic Loss. The Bills will come to play in those games, and one thing I will argue could be a benefit rather than a detriment for those first 4 weeks is having a QB under center with very little game tape for the opposition to study, especially if Allen becomes the starter--being an unknown will be a bit of help to start the season for whoever McDermott chooses at QB.

Guess so. I think and have thought since we acquired McCarron and drafted Allen it'd be McCarron or Allen starting. The Peterman hype has been odd, but let's see how long it goes into TC.

Boom!!! Great post! I'm not even saying Peterman won't develop into a legitimate starting QB, but it's head-scratching the way some are talking about him like he already is one. I just think if Peterman starts this year, which he might, all of the SaviorPeterman's of this board should be prepared to see a QB with most of the same weaknesses, flashing good maybe a little more than last year, but benched by mid season. I definitely wouldn't root for that if he's named starter, but it's just what likely will happen. People are talking about Peterman like he's going to be our Frank Reich for the next decade or so. Talk about a massively premature statement, not to mention a huge slap in the face to the guy who engineered the greatest comeback in NFL history.

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31756 Josh Allen's development key to Bills' postseason hopes For the Buffalo Bills to contend for the playoffs this season, here are the five players who can help make that happen: AJ McCarron, QB: Josh Allen, QB: LeSean McCoy, RB: Kelvin Benjamin, WR: Jerry Hughes, DE:

Yes, we understand he might start week 1. I absolutely acknowledge it's very possible. Personally, I think it'll be around 20-25% chance of it happening, but that's significant enough where I've come to terms with it. But if he does, it's going to be because Peterman won the offseason and looked better than the other guys. But last preseason and the 2015 preseason should be cautionary tales, where Peterman and EJ Manuel were pretty clearly the best QBs in preseason games.

I've seen those ball velocity tests at the combine and talk about sheer poppycock. I've watched Taylor throw and I've watched Peterman throw. Taylor is noticeably the stronger passer in terms of ball velocity alone. Not just now. Out of college, too. I mean whatever you think or thought of Taylor, c'mon man, the guy should undeniably be looked at as having an NFL arm. Definitely not the same for Peterman. Just look at their scouting reports, arm strength stuff only in overview and strengths followed by entire weakness: Taylor-- http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tyrod-taylor?id=2495240 OVERVIEW He has a quick release and a strong arm STRENGTHS Has above average arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight windows on short to intermediate routes WEAKNESSES Does not possess adequate height and too many of his passes are knocked down at the line. Sloppy footwork prevents him from stepping into throws making him an erratic passer. Locks onto receivers and often telegraphs his throws. Struggles breaking down coverage and makes too many ill-advised throws. Taylor has nothing about arm strength being a weakness and, in fact, his arm is described as "above average" and "strong." Peterman-- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 Strengths Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Weaknesses Inconsistent delivery base causes some throws to sail. Has instances where he short strides and is forced to muscle it to his target. Will float some throws on seams and dig routes. Will have to be mindful to drive the ball on pro level to avoid the ballhawks who are lurking at safety. Has to prove he has enough arm to challenge the same tight windows he did in college. Ball handling a little sluggish in wide receiver screens, hitches and most RPOs (run, pass option). Wants to play hero-ball at times. Needs to learn when to air-mail throw and move to next play rather than trying to get too cute with sideline throws. Can improve overall touch. In Peterman's overview and strengths, you get a lot of discussion about anticipation and accuracy and a single line about arm strength that's incredibly vague, but the bulk of his weakness discussion has to do with arm strength. There's a reason for that. I don't think anyone watching Peterman throw would dare say he has more zip in his passes than Tyrod Taylor or Deshaun Watson. Geez. I don't think anyone needs ball velocity numbers to know that.

Who is "he?" Me? BuffaloHokie and Royale already directly addressed this post. Was I required to respond to it, too? Footwork and lower body mechanics can obviously play a role in increasing ball velocity, but it also almost completely disregards the upper body. The more you're forced to rely on your lower body mechanics, the more you'reforced to be a wizard in the pocket to find room to utilize those lower body mechanics to transfer to the upper body and directly into an increase in ball velocity. Brady is a wizard. He knows how to move around. Do you think Peterman looked like he had that kind of pocket presence last year? And if he can't, we gotta go back to making the arm itself stronger. Yes, mechanics matter, but arm strength clearly does, too.

2- In case you didn't know, the Bills are trying out players at Center this offseason, too. But none of the Bills QBs, including Allen, have reportedly struggled with snaps the way Mahomes reportedly has. 3- Praise? National praise means absolute squat. As for local, team and coaches praise, Allen is getting plenty of that, too. And there haven't been any disastrous practices thus far. I'm missing something. You said you aren't a Bills fan. Are you a Chiefs fan? Or jeffismagic reincarnated as a more thoughtful (or at least garrulous) poster?

Good stuff!!! I just really have a lot of confidence in Beane. He demonstrates a lot of that reason for it here.