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Have we heard anything yet on whether there was compromise on the whole "offset language" thing he was holding out over or did one side just completely fold?

Thank God Allen's finally signed!!! Obviously if he held out any chance of him winning the job goes down a TON with each passing day.

https://buffalonews.com/2018/07/21/bills-training-camp-question-10-who-wins-the-starting-quarterback-job/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1532146645 Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen practices throwing and footwork drills at the start of rookie mini camp at ADPRO Sports Training Center on Friday, May 11, 2018. (James P. McCoy/Buffalo News) Bills Training Camp Question 10: Who wins the starting quarterback job? By Vic Carucci | Published July 20, 2018 Case for Allen This is more a matter of examining whether there's any case to make against his starting from the very first game. The obvious ones are his lack of experience and limited development while at Wyoming. Those factors could not only set Allen up for failure, but also hinder his ability to protect himself against blitzing that much harder to anticipate than anything he faced in college. Otherwise, there are a stack of reasons that Allen could very well win the job in training camp. First, there is the minimal patience, externally and internally, that invariably comes with waiting to see what a prized first-round quarterback can do. In Allen's case, it is intensified by the Bills using the highest pick in their history to select him. Then, there is the fact he is far more physically impressive than either of the other quarterbacks. Allen's size, strength and athleticism have no match on the team and pretty much set him apart from the four other QBs chosen in the first round. His throwing motion is a thing of beauty, something that immediately caught the attention of Jim Kelly during rookie minicamp. He consistently delivers a tight spiral and his long passes leave his hand with a flick rather than a deliberate wind-up. “The arm strength that you (reporters) have seen here, that stands out," Beane said. "A lot of times it’s hard to tell that true arm strength on tape, but you can tell. The next step was watching him through the year (in college), and then going to see him play live. The great thing about seeing a guy play live at quarterback is, yes, I can see all the stuff that I can watch on film, but I can see all the stuff in pregame. How’s he interacting with his guys?" The easy conclusion for Beane and the rest of the Bills' decision-makers was that Allen had everything they could want in a franchise quarterback. Now, it's a matter of determining the right time for him to begin playing in games that count.

I'm going to put this bluntly why I don't think Shady's guilty... his character is like the equivalent of a self-involved player, in my opinion... he doesn't always do everything that's morally good, but he's not malevolent or out for blood in some well-schemed plan as this would have to be. That whole nightclub incident a few years ago would have appeared to be an incident that took place as a result of that whole personality. This one involved malevolence and planning and I just don't think that's what Shady is. Shady's the guy who throws a huge orgy party, not the guy who stalks his ex-girlfriend going to an orgy party and goes in to beat the crap out of her and the guy she's bangin. Just my opinion.

Turned into??? It's been one for over a week now. It reached 100 pages of nonsense in like its first 3 days of existence.

One thing you might want to remember is that Allen got more and more time with the 1s as OTAs and Minicamp progressed. And he got virtually all snaps on the last day of Minicamp... at least as far as it was reported. You're right... actions speak louder than words. But McDermott's words also spoke loudly when he claimed that OTAs and Minicamp should be viewed as having a rep chart rather than a depth chart and that depth chart can start being truly scrutinized in TC. Well, Allen's reps increased throughout... so he seems to be moving up... and his last day of practice when he got the most reps might've been his best... and he's been back in Buffalo working for the last week or so. Yes... I agree... actions speak louder than words and those actions spoke loudly.

Very thoughtful first post! I think Beane and McDermott have proven they're very very willing to trade away players they might get nationally criticized for trading (see Sammy, Darby, Dareus), so I absolutely think trading McCarron is very much on the table. You're at 50/50 that Allen starts and that's almost exactly where I am. But I think the 1st week of TC will tell us a ton. If by, let's say, Friday August 3rd Allen hasn't seen a good amount of time with the 1s, his odds drop dramatically. On the other hand, if he does see significant time with the 1s by that time and that time is progressively increasing the way it was in Minicamp, his odds increase dramatically. So starting strong in TC is in all likelihood a must for Allen if he wants a good shot to be under center in Baltimore... and given that he's been in Buffalo working for the last week or so already, I think he knows that.

Double digit wins and playoffs again. These are my expectations, regardless of who the QB is. McDermott has the culture largely established and although our offensive concerns have been the talk of the offseason, I still think it's improved with really the biggest question mark being the interior OL, but I'm confident whoever steps in for Wood and Incognito will be about a lateral move. Defense has improved a great deal just with the acquisition of Star and Edmunds. I obviously don't have a crystal ball, but I highly doubt we go any worse than 8-8 this year.

What exactly does it mean to be "unlimited from the playoffs?"

Seriously???? There isn't even a case here as far as Shady is concerned right now. If new things are revealed, maybe, but right now the only way Shady is connected to the case is that his tenant was robbed and assaulted in Georgia while he was in Florida. That's all we KNOW right now, right? That's what Yolo just said in the post right above yours. Are you expecting a friend's accusations of domestic abuse while the alleged abused simultaneously publicly denies it happened to really be the foundation this entire case is built upon and the reason Shady is not allowed in camp this week? Not going to happen. That would be an absolutely atrocious precedent that would be set by either the team or the league and I'm sure the player's union would immediately and rightfully intervene.

Sooooo... any news or still the status quo? If there's no real updates and this thread has just been an additional 10 pages of banter since I checked in on Tuesday, Shady will be a full participant at TC and on the roster to start the season until something actually comes out. I'm fine with the "me too" movement and all because any serious form of abuse of women is reprehensible, but so far this situation is a good argument against it considering how incredibly flimsy it is along with the he said /she said nature of it as it relates to a secondary party, not even the woman who was supposedly abused.

Hehe... On the off chance anyone takes your post seriously, obviously with only one QB at a time on any given play, there is no addition involved in this math problem. Instead you just take each QB on each play and average, but the total number would never go higher than 5 in this case.

Yeesh... I appreciate your logic, which would be fascinating if you didn't completely ignore mine as you simultaneously responded to it. As long as you believe Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott are on the same page (I think they are, given their history and McDermott personally seeking him out) and as long as you believe that McDermott had a big hand in making Allen a QB we needed to trade up to #7 for if it looked like we would otherwise lose, then when Beane said the following in response to a comment about Allen being "raw," and I directly quote: "A lot of these guys did not come across to us as what was nationally reported about them. I don't think that's a fair label to give him is 'raw.'" Well at that point, Allen's baseline (as you put it) is 100% not a 1 or a 2, as you seem to concede it might be because you seem to desperately want to maintain the belief that our coach and GM decided to trade into the top 10 to draft some ball of clay they would have to mould and tweak for the next year or so... but finally in 2020 we might start getting some legitimate production out of him with enough development. I dunno, maybe you're right and he's a 5 right now. After but if he's a 5 and McCarron is a 4 and Peterman is a 3... 5 >>>>>>> 4 or 3 Allen will start. Simple math in that case bro.

Interesting interpretation. Really feels like you're reaching here trying to somehow stretch McDermott directly stating that Allen is more developed and further along in some ways than they thought initially (and lest we forget Beane's public rebuke of the preseason draft national narrative that Allen is somehow more "raw" than the other prospects or other historical 1st round rookies) followed by the incredibly obvious statement that we're not going to put him out there unless we feel he's ready. Well duuuuhhhhh... What coach would not do that? Or what good coach would not do that? You might agree with Allen's scouting reports. But that really doesn't relate to what McDermott said and might even be counter to it. If Allen is already better than McCarron and Peterman as you concede he likely is, but he's still not ready, Beane deserves to be fired for not seriously addressing the 2018 QB position. You're massively insulting Peterman and McCarron, and if they're as bad as you seem to think they are, we're screwed. Luckily, I think you're very wrong in more ways than one here.

This quote by McDermott is one I hadn't seen before and seems to be pretty ambiguous on who starts at QB for us and leaves the door as open for Allen to win the job as McDermott might. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.democratandchronicle.com/amp/783231002 “There’s been moments along the way through Josh’s career as a Bill to this point where you’re saying, ‘I knew he was here (at this level), but in fact, we think he’s a little bit further along than that in some areas,’” McDermott said. “That said, (there is) still a lot of work to do. We’re not going to put him out there unless we feel like he’s ready and that’s the important part of this, that we develop a nice foundation of strong fundamentals and football knowledge so that he can go out there and execute.”

Was she poisoned? When I was back visiting my family for Christmas in 2005, our 11 year old dog Ginnie threw up once in the evening before I was going out to meet up with friends and then wanted to go outside. Our dogs always went out our back door to the woods to go to the bathroom and knew to ask. So I let her out and shouted to my parents I let her out. The next morning I woke up and my Dad told me he found her dead at the foot of our stairs that lead down to our yard where she went to the bathroom. We think it was the food she ate. There was a big recall on Star pet dry food at the time. It's 14 years later and I still think about that and feel guilty for being the one to let her out to go to the bathroom often.

Bro. I'm sorry. Truly. My wife and I don't have kids. We have cats. A number of them. Any given night we have between 2 and 5 cats sleeping with us in our bed. I know we have a lot of loss to deal with in the next decade or so. Really not looking forward to it. I'm sorry man. Losing pets sucks. 25 and 23?!?! Geez... I hope at least a couple of our cats (my boy and my wife's little queen) last close to that long!

Not any more thin than last year... when we made the playoffs I think this national narrative that we're going to suck this year is funnier than any other year they've said it... which has been pretty much every year. RBs have improved because losing Tolbert is addition by subtraction. WRs have improved with a theoretically healthy Benjamin we'll have from the beginning of the season. Throw in odds on a couple other WRs showing up in ways whatever crap we had at WR last year didn't show up and I think maybe they're improved significantly. TEs with Clay and O'leary are at least the same. OL is the single question mark, but Dawkins was good last year and will likely improve. Mills was decent, at times, but will have competition. Incognito and Wood are losses, but that's really only because their floor was well-known, not because their ceiling was very high. I think Groy / Miller / Bodine / the 5th round rookie G we drafted might take their lumps but stand a good chance of being better than last year. QB is already deeper than last year for sure, and given the abhorrence many had for the last QB we had (who still managed to be the 1st starting QB in into 17 years of the Buffalo Bills to make the playoffs), one would assume that most would also say our QB is upgraded. I think 2018 looks bright.

Better than the vitriolic and childish pissing match ShadyBillsFan and 26CB have been in for months now, although in truth, the vitriole and childishness has always been pretty one-sided there. Hey guys!!! Thank God for the Ignore feature!!!

Definitely her. I dig the librarian look.

No. I'm going to enjoy it when we make the playoffs this year, thank you very much. Enjoy your year off

Didn't the OP say average??? Margot Robbie is hot... and her role in Suicide Squad made her hotter! I prefer Katy Tur... but with the glasses on

Nice choice!!! 808 produces some beautiful women, that's for sure. But as a teacher, I feel a little dirty going with girls younger than 30 who could've been a student... so I'll go with a contemporary... Jennifer Love Hewitt