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It's a shame what happened here, but it's really looking more and more like Shady is just as likely the victim of a smear campaign as anything else.

I wake up this morning and the OP still isn't updating with current news on page 1 AND this thread didn't reach 100 pages. Disappointed on 2 fronts. So, what's the update??? Remember how this started yesterday morning with the supposed picture evidence that McCoy himself physically assaulted her

Hey guys, it's 10 o'clock my time. I'm going to bed. If you reach 100 pages in the next 7 hours or so, which appears likely, pretend I'm here celebrating as the confetti drops

I think Foster is at least on the PS, if not the 53 man roster.

This is a great example of two people reasonably disagreeing. I completely understand and respect your reasoning here. I'm of the opinion that Allen, if he's the best QB on our roster right now (which you concede he likely is), should start right away because he'll learn better on the field than on the bench. My reasoning essentially boils down to the fact that Allen is by all accounts a very late bloomer and late to being immersed in the position of QB the way most other Division I QBs are and, therefore, also seems to be a very fast learner. He's smart. On top of that, he's big, he's tough, he's elusive and athletic (faster 40 time at the Combine than Carson Wentz), so I'll be less worried about having the perfect OL--and I actually think ours will be significantly better than most believe. If Peterman or McCarron are the better QB during the offseason, he should start. Otherwise, I think this team as a whole is built up enough to weather the storm of some rookie yips. Afterall, we had a QB who was one of the worst QBs in the NFL last year and we broke the longest playoff drought in sports

David Carr was thrust into an absolute shitstorm. He never stood a chance with that team. They were an expansion team and their #1 player in the expansion draft never played a down for them. That was All-pro OL Tony Boseli. Yeah, he might've helped a little. Otherwise, they had absolutely nothing. Again, they were an expansion team and they decided to start their #1 draft pick immediately despit bringing entirely new players and coaches together across the NFL and college in their very 1st year. And David Carr, while very talented and likely ruined by poor choices by the Texans, was pretty immobile. He wasn't remotely elusive in the way Allen is. I agree that Carr is a great example of a rookie QB being mismanaged, but we look NOTHING like the 2002 Texans.

In truth it took me 20 minutes because I read the updated ESPN article after I started typing it and I'm also typing on a tablet rather than a laptop so my High School typing class skillzzz (F F F space J J J space D D D space...) are out the window. Regardless, 33+ posts in 20 minutes for a thread that's 75 pages deep is just ridonkulous, is it not?

At the rate this thread is going, that'll be easy.

Wish the OP were updated with the real story on the 1st page. This looks more and more like McCoy is innocent to me. I'm guessing there are a bunch of people who feel differently now that this thread is 75 pages deep. This is all going to play out, obviously, but it seems pretty clear that the initial insinuations made in that Instagram post that was quickly taken down and made private were false, or at least misleading. This is going to be a 300 page thread by Friday. Can the OP or a mod please take it upon themselves to update the very first post when actual news breaks so the rest of us aren't subjected to pages and pages of he said/she said or "well I've been falsely accused before" discussion, as interesting as that might be? There have been 33+ new posts here since I started typing this post. That's insane. I mean, I'm not the fastest types in the world, but I'm still pretty fast.

Really? Very big news, if true. Can anyone confirm that Shady likes coffee?

And the woman is Shady's ex-girlfriend???? And his ex-girlfriend's best friend is the one making these accusations? And Shady is claiming he hasn't had direct contact with "anyone involved" for months??? Is that about it so far???

Hey... so could whoever created this thread maybe update what we know about this on page 1 in the OP??? Some of us aren't on Instagram or Facebook constantly hitting refresh.

Shady claimed in his statement on Instagram he hasn't been face to face with any of the people involved in months. I think if this is all true, Shady should be immediately cut and locked up. But I'm a little skeptical of it considering all the other circumstances (they had a court date today????), and on the flip side, if the woman made this up, she should be locked up. On a side note, is Shady also saying he hasn't seen his kid in months???

Maybe the stats I brought up don't definitively prove that point, but the stats you initially brought up to disprove the point I was making are far from accomplishing that.

Well McCoy denies it. I hope it's not true. If it's true... oy Why can't these athletes learn how to treat women... and animals?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-allen-there-really-is-no-pressure-heading-into-rookie-season-with-the-bills/amp/ There's a good chance Allen wins the starting job ahead of the season because he currently shares the depth chart with 2017 fifth-rounder Nathan Peterman, who briefly replaced Taylor in the lineup last November and promptly threw five interceptions in 30 minutes of football. The Bills also signed veteran AJ McCarron, who spent the first four seasons of his career with the Bengals, where he started four games (including a playoff game) in 2015 after Andy Dalton went down with a thumb injury. "I think Josh is a mature guy who has handled his responsibilities the right way," said Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. "He works hard. He improves. He listens to the veterans and coaches. If he makes a mistake one day, he works really hard to try and fix it the next day. He has the right attitude." Actually Vigen explained that, as well. Been posted more than once. Wait... so right here you acknowledge that Allen is probably better than Peterman or McCarron already. I agree that's most likely the case, and that's why he's most likely to start week 1. It's going to be extremely difficult to explain away to your vets why you aren't starting the best QB on the roster. And McDermott preaches open competition all the time... If Allen wins that competition, he's the starter. Dabol and McDermott will likely have some sort of plan in terms of game planning and what not to protect him throughout the season.

Wow, those stats are incomplete, misleading and inconclusive. They're also incorrect; 2015 was 12 games played with Taylor, not 14. And Taylor targeted Sammy 91 times in those 12 games. That's 7.6 targets per game, and you'll notice the 2 games with the lowest targets include the very first game they ever played and a game in which Sammy got injured halfway through the 1st quarter after having already been targeted twice. And I mentioned the opportunity to develop some trust with an Elite WR. 1st 6 games with Taylor in 2015- 5.7 Targets per game Last 6 games with Taylor in 2015- 9.5 Targets per game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatkSa00/gamelog/2015/ Considering how little Buffalo threw the ball during Taylor's tenure, nearly 10 targets per game is significant. Julio Jones and AJ Green averaged 10 targets per game once or twice so far in their careers and both of their teams threw more than Buffalo. And if you really want to use Sammy's 2016 targets as part of this argument, you can, but I think most objective observers would have seen that Sammy was a shell of himself until maybe the end of the season. But even looking at the season as Sammy gets healthy, there's a significant difference as Taylor's last game ever throwing to Sammy was in the double digits for targets. I completely understand why we moved on from Taylor and I'm excited to see what Allen can do. But Taylor is, at the moment, set up with weapons that can potentially really elevate his game in Cleveland this year.

Here. These are the progressive observations of Joe Buscaglia from OTAs to Minicamp in terms of plays made and/or relatively extensive discussion of level of play for the 5 WRs we're talking about. These are from his "7 observations" notes he always puts up. OTAs Week 1 7) Two unheralded WRs stand out a pair of receivers that stood out to me on Thursday was Malachi Dupre and Quan Bray. Dupre might be the name you recognize more, seeing as how he was on the Bills practice squad for most of 2017, and then called up near the end of the season. Dupre rotated in with the first-team offense quite a bit, and his speed and route running is natural to see on the field. I'm quite interested to see how he does with such a clear opportunity. Bray was a bit of a surprise for me. Admittedly, I did not know much about him heading into the OTAs, but he took advantage of his opportunities as the second-team offense slot receiver, consistently gaining separation and finding the weak areas over the middle of the field. There's still a long time to go between now and the time when the 53-man rosters are due, but of all the unknowns today on the field, he caught my eye the most of anyone. OTAs Week 2 7) Potential punt returners identified I saw four players -- all of which wide receivers -- take turns fielding punts. The group included Kaelin Clay, Austin Proehl, Jeremy Kerley, and Ray-Ray McCloud. Of the four, I might give the edge to McCloud at this point because he was the earliest drafted by this regime, and we've seen him have the ability while at Clemson. Still, this is a wide-open competition as training camp opens up in late July. OTAs Week 3 7) Undrafted wideout showing some progress So far Malachi Dupre has done a great job with some extended opportunities on the first-team offense, but a hamstring injury kept him on the sidelines on Thursday. That has allowed more reps to other players, and one that caught my eye for all the right reasons on Thursday was undrafted rookie Robert Foster. Now it helps his case early on for the 6-foot-2, 196-pound Foster that he spent all last year at Alabama with current Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. However, he's showing off a polished ability to run routes and is getting some opportunity with both the first and second-team offense in spots. While it's early yet and spring workouts have been known to fool people, especially at wide receiver, you can see the coaching staff starting to form some trust with Foster. As is always the case with wide receivers, you never honestly get a gauge on them until the pads go on in training camp and things get a bit more physical. It's been a solid start for Foster, though. Minicamp Day 1 3) Bills give more significant workload to Robert Foster Last week I wrote about Robert Foster as a potential under-the-radar type to keep an eye on at wide receiver, and he was working in more and more with the top two units during Tuesday's practice. Now, there are some injuries that the Bills are dealing with at wide receiver at the current moment, but Foster has also been getting that time with the top unit ahead of the likes of some receivers that are perceived to have a better shot at making the roster -- namely, Rod Streater. With the extended time, Foster made some mistakes along the way. He dropped a couple of passes that needed to be caught -- one of which was a perfect throw from Nathan Peterman on an out route in which the receiver roasted the cornerback. He also fell on a route that the quarterback targeted for a potential first-down pickup. Even though he didn't have his best on Tuesday, the Bills are happy with what he's done to this point considering who he played ahead of to start minicamp. 7) Ray-Ray McCloud shows some zip, but also shows some rookieThe wide receiver group has continued to be one of the more compelling things to track this spring because everything is still up in the air. It's given some opportunities to players like Robert Foster, and also allowed one of their rookie wideouts to get some key on-the-job experience this summer. To this point, between the wide receiver draft picks Ray-Ray McCloud and Austin Proehl, I've been most impressed with McCloud. He's gotten some reps as a punt returner and shows some natural acceleration in and out of his breaks during route running. McCloud is a bit on the smaller side, but he's intriguing enough for them to think there could be something there to build on. Minicamp Day 2 2) Peterman outplays McCarron once again He gunned in a touchdown to Austin Proehl in the back of the end zone, and had a pretty pass that he dropped into a bucket on a deep pass to Robert Foster. 4) Proehl flashes ability So far a mini-battle has ensued between the two receivers the Bills selected, McCloud and Proehl, because of their similar builds. McCloud has had the upper hand for most of the workouts we've seen, but Proehl's route running and ability to finish a play made some waves at practice. Proehl first displayed his solid footwork during rookie minicamp, but he's faded to the background a bit since -- that is until Wednesday rolled around. Proehl's toe-tapping touchdown was incredibly impressive, considering his room for error was slim. The throw was one that he had to go up for, and his body positioning made it seem like he'd have to make an impressive play to get his feet in bounds. He secured the catch, and when he came down with the ball, planted his one foot so he could gather his other one well enough to drag it through the end zone. Those are the types of plays that get you noticed in practices like these. 7) A two-man kick return battle? While the Bills have been using four players to return punts through out the spring workouts, we haven't seen much regarding kick return. That changed on Wednesday, and despite having players like Kaelin Clay and Ray-Ray McCloud, the Bills had only two players back returning kicks: running backs Taiwan Jones and Travaris Cadet. Those two players are likely in a battle for one roster spot this summer, and a big piece of the equation will be if one can outplay the other with that role. As for Clay and McCloud, they were on the kick return team, only as the next line up from the primary return men. For now, it's a two-man show. Minicamp Day 3 1) Allen ends it on a high note Rookie wide receiver Austin Proehl, who Allen has developed severe chemistry with this spring, hit the right seam hard and Allen spotted him immediately. Allen put the ball on the money and in stride about 20-to-25 yards down the field, and there was enough distance between Proehl and the safety -- and of course, the cornerback that he beat -- for him to scoot up the field for all 70 yards and into the end zone. 6) Don't take too much out of the WR rotations -- except for two things Throughout all six practices that the media was able to see, there is only one way to describe the wide receiver rotation: helter-skelter. Every single receiver on the roster, at least at some point, worked with the first, second, and third-team offense to maximize opportunities, and so the coaches could see who could play in different situations. It's always easier to highlight the younger players because they are, the flashier ones, but just like Austin Proehl, Brandon Reilly, Malachi Dupre, and Robert Foster got time with the first-team, so did Rod Streater, Kaelin Clay, and Andre Holmes. The Bills were just on a fact-finding mission this spring without Zay Jones available to practice. The only two constants, Kelvin Benjamin is locked in as a starter on the outside, and it appeared Jeremy Kerley had a pretty firm grasp on the first-team work as the slot receiver. Other than that, everything was up for grabs -- and it'll be interesting to see how they handle it once Zay Jones can practice in full. Just note the lack of Reilly and the progression of Proehl, McCloud and Foster in that discussion. You're crazy if you think Dupre and Reilly have that much of a leg up on those guys at this point.

One thing objective Bills fans should have learned is that when Taylor develops trust in an Elite talent at WR, he's going to throw him the ball even if he's covered. That was what developed with Sammy... problem was Sammy couldn't stay on the field. Now he has both Gordon and Landry. Trading Tyrod wad a good move for us because it was clear we weren't going to build around him, but luckily for Taylor, it looks like he was traded to a team that's built for him. I see the same haters are at it in this thread.

As much as others are probably tearing you apart--I haven't read a single post--yeah, I could see this being the year. Sounds like there's trouble brewing in Paradise and the Bills are on the upswing, making the playoffs last year. I actually expect double digit wins and playoffs from the Bills this year. We'll see what happens with turmoil in New England, but this might be the year.

I'm disappointed this is how you felt you needed to respond. If you felt offended, I guess I understand the reason, and I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. I respect you as a poster and a mod. What I made was a pretty objective observation without the harsh, inflammatory language or euphemisms that flood this board and escalate spats.

What reports are you reading? Dupre was receiving some praise in OTAs, almost none in Minicamp. There was reportedly some kind of injury around the end of OTAs, so maybe he just didn't get much work in Minicamp. About the only mention you hear of Reilly is that he got 1st team reps, but you also heard that most of the other WRs were rotated in with the 1st team, but KB and Kerley are entrenched there. By the end of OTAs and into Minicamp, you hear a lot more of Ray Ray, Proehl, and Foster making an impact. If you're considering Dupre and Reilly favorites simply because they're 2nd year guys, despite seeing very very very little action as rookies, Foster probably evens out and cancels that advantage having worked under Dabol last year at Alabama.

I've been reading every OTA and Minicamp practice report from the media. Ray Ray and Proehl have been covered significantly more as making plays than Reilly or Dupree.

Well this sounds like an appropriate post It's rather odd you chose this analogy. Do you have issues of your own? As to the point and disregarding your absurd analogy, how far exactly does Allen have to go? How much further ahead are Peterman and McCarron from where he is right now? Regardless of whatever progression Allen needs, what makes you think his progression will be better served on the bench than on the field? I won't post the quotes or links again, but Allen's OC Brent Vigen (who also coached Carson Wentz) raved about Allen's progression in college and his ability to immediately step into the NFL and execute an NFL offense. Our GM Beane essentially shot down the national narrative that Allen is (too) raw in a post draft interview with Buffalo News. He's also getting plenty of praise from teammates so far, including Shady, who's likely about the most bluntly honest player on our team. Allen might be ready to start. That'll be determined this Summer. If he is and is better than Peterman and McCarron, I want him starting.

It doesn't take a lot to do it, but I think we'll be better than last year just with a healthy Benjamin at WR alone.