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That is a strange interpretation to say the least. There is/ was nothing childish about my choice of modifier. There is no argument. Merely the fact that the Bills average ticket price is among the league’s lowest. Hence the reference. Please explain what “ facts” you are referring to that don’t support this. The modifier is not an exaggeration, but a description of the Bills ticket cost comparative to the rest of the league. Refusing to consider the business aspects of the stadium discussion while demanding the Bills to operate in some sort of business vacuum that isn’t typical of other teams in the league is nonsense. One must acknowledge that while typical funding sources of stadia around the league is far from ideal, that is the world the Bills are playing in.

Right. You would pretty much tear everything down but the sunken portion. I don’t know if the cost would still be less, but I would venture that it might not be.

Ha ha ha. Lime, you are a quick wit . Wonder what your sage educator taught you about childish insults? While you apparently don’t care for my choice of modifier, the fact remains the Bills ticket pricing is bottom of the league. Call that bargain basement, low rent, whatever. Not sure how you gleaned your curious assumption about my status from my post , but my point is a valid one from a business perspective. It also contributes more to the conversation (er,debate?) than your platitudes about how things ought to work if we lived in a perfect world. We all know that we don’t.

Tickets are at welfare levels right now, and some current ticket holders are bound to be upset . Yes, the market can afford higher prices. A few slapdash renovations won’t give the Pegulas much pricing power to charge closer to average prices, though.

Of course it’s about profit. The NFL is a business, not a game. There is no distraction or confusion involved as far as fans go, though. It is about value or perceived value. The most important things in a potential new stadium are fewer seats ( limited supply creates demand) and climate control. That’s where the value is , real or perceived. Larger concourses or better bathrooms doesn’t mean much when the goal is to get the ticket prices up to around the league average instead of the basement. There is money that is staying home rather than go to a game in miserable weather. That’s the untapped market the Bills would like to tap into. They can’t really charge too much more than they currently are for the same seat in a modestly improved facility. There is really no mystery to this. They want to sell a better, more upscale and more expensive gameday experience.

He had the chance to do just that about 6 years ago, and opted to do a cheap spruce-up instead. In the end, the answer will always be money. A full reno of NEF will probably be very expensive, maybe even close to the cost of a new building.

I was at a bar draft party for last year’s selection meeting and facepalmed when the Bills pick was announced. At that point, with Mayfield ( my top QB) long gone my sights were set on Rosen. It was definitely disappointing at the time.In all likelihood , I was wrong on Rosen. While still not even close to sure about Allen, I saw more out of him last season than I expected to. I absolutely hope he becomes the franchise QB the Bills need.

Agreed on the Zay Jones move. The jury is out on Edmunds, but he’d have to be a multiple pro bowl player to justify it most likely. I’m still not against a move up in round one though. In any event, I think Beane and McD have an established willingness to make these kinds of moves. As Bills fans we should probably expect more of them during their tenure here.

It’s a fair point that Watkins certainly was regarding as such heading into that draft. There’s a lot of happenstance that shaped or reinforced peoples opinions on the move after OBJ broke out. It’s not like half the board were calling for Beckham. From memory there were more wanting Evans than OBJ. If EJ was good or Watkins put up OBJ numbers, Whaley’s move would be praised or at least the criticism would be quickly forgotten. A move up could be a good move, even for a non QB like a pass rusher. The price, team status / needs and talent of said player all factor in to that move.

But does it really ? Or is this just some sports talking head drivel to drive conversation. Has Belichicks drafting been above the NFL average in the last decade or so? Having multiple middle round picks doesn’t increase the chance that any single player will be good. Are draft picks like lottery tickets ? ( they say having more tickets in the powerball doesn’t increase your odds of winning). Or are draft picks simply currency to move around the board and get the players you want ? It’s a legitimate debate, and I’m not sure even those who fall into one camp or another actually have the answer.

I read that Singapore has a very low crime rate. If you use a gun while committing a crime in Singapore, the punishment is automatic death penalty. That’s very interesting. When people talk about gun laws, perhaps the punishment for use needs to be stronger. Then again , , merely possessing a gun in Singapore gets you automatic caning.

I think you have to take it on a case by case basis. There are many factors, but Whaley’s move in a WR rich draft and with no proven QB should be ripped.

Looks like O.J dropped his prison commissary weight. Heck he could probably suit up now !

These types of scenarios are why Beane would consider a move up. If your draft plans are targeting very specific players, you need to move around the board in the early round(s). Many disagree with spending multiple picks when a player “ will probably still be available” in the original slot. However , sitting still can backfire too. The Bills missed out on Ted Washington for their Super Bowl run in the 90’s by a single pick when the 49ers drafted him . It would have been nice to have his run stuffing capabilities instead of Wright.

Wouldn’t having the draft in January make the offseason seem even longer ? Anyway, I don’t remember the draft not being in April.

The stadium has too much capacity ( and no climate control ) for the pricing structure required in today’s NFL. Whether you or I or anyone on this board thinks the team needs it or not will have zero impact on whether one is built.

Not sure if even a full renovation ( which the county passed on in favor of a cheap spruce up last time) makes much sense. The current facility is not coverable, so it would give very little pricing power in return for the still significant investment required. The entire point of a new stadium is to bring the ticket pricing structure out of the league basement. No reason to do it otherwise. That cannot be overstated.

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Yes, Smerlas did specifically mention Smith in his book “ By a nose “ with Vic Carucci.

Beane and even McD in his first draft have displayed a willingness to move up for specific players rather than letting the draft fall to them. Whether you agree with the strategy - there was likely a chance the players would be available in their original spots- or not, it fits in with Wawrow’s response. If they are comfortable with the price to move up, it seems a likely scenario.

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Pretty sure he was referring to the Bledsoe era Bills vs Miami game featuring Moulds, Price, Ricky Williams et al. Was a heavier snowfall than the Jan 91 playoff game as well.

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Good point, and it really should have been 15/19. Seahawks and Falcons were epically dumb.

Winters are much worse here than the places you cited ( okay maybe GB is equal/ worse) and snowfall total is probably not even close. Not sure why Miami would care about a potential Bills dome but OK.