oldmanfan

Some don't want facts to obscure their opinions.

Ok. Whatever. This is getting tiresome. You guys go ahead and be skeptical and pessimistic if you want. For me, as one who has seen a helluva lot worse Bills teams since beginning my fandom in 1960, I look forward to seeing how some of these young guys do, and unlike some I don't assume the worst case scenario.

As I said to another individual today, go ahead and wallow in your misery then. Everybody ***** about not ever having a franchise like QB since Kelly, and they draft Allen. Do we know what he'll be yet? No. But he has the physical talent. They upgraded the WR and O line spots, you even say that here. They added to the DBs, the young MLB has a second season to grow into the position. They had had some things to address from last year and addressed them. Not only the above but got rid of ineffective O line and ST coaches, brought in an All Pro return guy, and so on. There's not one thing they didn't try to address this offseason. In your world none of that matters I guess. (Cue the show me the baby line or how how they haven't changed in 50 years -you choose).

On a completely different topic just to lighten the mood, for those watching the Open, can we get someone to strangle the guy that keeps yelling Baba Booey?

For quite a while I thought the age of great QB play would be done, what with the single read offenses and such. The last couple years tell me how wrong I was.

That is on the short list for worst game in league history

I wanted Watson. Mahomes had a lot of questions with respect to his footwork, the fact that he came out of a one read spread offense, and such. No one admits that now, of course.

No you don't. They're illogical and make no sense most of the time but you're entitled to them, just as I and others are entitled to point out how ridiculous you get. By the way I have posted that they mismanaged the QB situation, and that I give credit to Beane for acknowledging that. On more than one occasion last year I said the problem was they didn't bring a vet like Anderson in earlier. But, as is normal with you, facts are difficult for you to grasp.

Yep. I offer mine in response to yours.

It's tough to pare it down to 5 games, but also kind of fun. Brought back fun memories.

I hope you can be more optimistic after camp.

Why think they will? Why slant your thinking in that direction? Allen has some experience now. O line is retooled. Defense looks good.

The obvious ones aside (Oliver, Ford), I think Williams will step up at WR.

Fair enough. Let's at least agree it would be nice for the Bills to win. We can agree on that, right?

I was going off memory, and then went all the way back and pulled the exact quote. Which says everyone that has failed at something new has never tried it before. In which you refer to Allen, in which you indicate he'll fail. Nice try at spinning. Now you say you were making a joke? Sure. And it's me that should run for politics? If you're such a big Allen fan why assume he'll fail?

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before. He was referring to Allen and that he'll fail. Odd way to claim you're a huge fan of the guy. I'd suggest a huge fan might say he'll succeed. How exactly can you read that quote and say it does no such thing?

Long could shift to center, as could Feliciano.

A reasonable point to argue, but the only thing that truly matters is the current HC and GM felt it was needed. So they did it, got to the playoffs in one of their two years, now have what they hope is a franchise QB and some essential pieces on D, and a lot of cap space. When people talk struggle I honestly can't understand how they define the word. Every single person on the board expects improvement. The question is to what extremes that issue is debated.

I would refer you to the quote I posted above with respect to Allen. It assumes failure. And here you go. Two years ago they were in the playoffs, and last year broke in a rookie QB. How exactly is making the playoffs one out of two times struggling?

Absolutely. Why some assume failure is the question, equally so of ones who think they're no doubt SuperBowl winners.

The following are your exact words from earlier in this thread regarding Allen: Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before. Your words, not mine. And one could just as easily say everyone who has succeeded at something new has never done it before. Your shtick is obvious and juvenile at this point.

No he really hasn't. Not that I've seen. I wish your posts would show more if your hope and less of your pessimism.

I have many times said onbthis board if their current regimes plan does not work they'll get fired. But also that if it does work they'll be heros. I think that's objective. If you go back through I believe he may be in the they lucked out camp. SoTier is especially heinous about that.

Among others when a few pages back he talks about when you are new like Allen you have to learn to be a bust or words to that effect.

Why do you and others constantly spin things in a negative direction?