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i agree with this 1000%. well put.

why go in at all? why were a bunch of morons smashing windows and doors? and milling around inside? every time with you. no common sense...just looking to place blame. i could see if this was a rare occasion for you, but it's on every single topic. j6 happened because of a number of easily manipulated d-bags felt they needed to take their government back. if they hadn't shown up to do so, or just quietly protested outside, none of this would have happened. but it did, so take the lump and just move on. once this country opens up, the epstein files are going to be a thing again. then what? how soon before you start calling it a democratic hoax even though trump himself showed us it wasn't.

how am i using semantics? why is it a cop out? the group decided to be there and they were the ones who went into the capital building. were there democrats there helping them to walk inside? they didn't have to go in. they chose to. people inside were barricading themselves into rooms afraid for their well being. not a single person forced them to take any action at all. if they don't show up, there's no j6. unless the dems gathered all of those people there, walked them inside, and helped tear the place apart...it's not a hoax as you've called it all along.

apparently there was enough to incite a riot.

also fair, but j6 wasn't a hoax, nor was it orchestrated by the dems. that's what i was calling the op out on.

this is fair. it doesn't even really matter who thinks what about the election, my point in this thread was that the crowd was their on their own free will, and stormed the capital. even if someone understands why they did it, it still should never happen. the dems did not arrange this, and the constant framing this into a giant hoax is just avoiding accountability of those men. no hoax, just #######s. what you think about the election doesn't matter. those protestors were there to no peacefully protest. they new what they were there to do and mob mentality set it. we all saw what happened. the dems didn't make them do it, it is not a conspiracy, it is not a hoax. just idiots.

so you think the election was stolen? you really don't think it was a giant tantrum by trump? this is what happened. a bunch of rednecks got together to protest a so called stolen election. they got there, got all riled up, and attacked the capital over a complete false pretense. no one forced them to be there. no one forced them to run into the capital and rip the place apart...all of this was done on their own free will. no dem told them to be there and do any of it. trump at any point could have calmed it down, but we all know he didn't want to. this wasn't a conspiracy...it was a giant tantrum because the president refused to admit he lost an election. if you want to feel the election was stolen, so be it. it still didn't mean j6 had to occur. the dems didn't put that together. that group of #######s did.

maybe. it wouldn't blow me away depending who it involves. it out of their hands now.

i agree. i don't think the epstein files are a democratic hoax at all. i think a number of people on both sides have a lot to lose, but acting like this presidency isn't covering something is insane. i just assumed the dems never released it due to too many of their party members involved. now we know there's much more than that. trump just created more trouble for himself that it was worth.

why can't you answer? i'm being complete serious. the crowd was there by their own doing correct? no one forced them to be there. if you can't even engage the most basic of conversations...its for a reason. don't scream hoax and then not be able to answer the most basic questions. you won't because you know where i'm going. dude, you mention me in threads but don't tag me in because you don't want me to see them. you can't even answer the question of why the protesters were there. you're kind of a coward. all a hoax right? all another side's fault right? keep putting out conspiracies that you can't back up.

why were people there to protest?

so you want to believe this great conspiracy theory, yet you can't even answer the most simple, basic question...maybe the conspiracy theories are all garbage. if you can only post tweets and not have a conversation, so be it. you think everyone else is duped, but you sure it's not you? again, why were people at the capital building.

understood.

just waiting for you to respond to my question. you can tag me in too when you mention my name so i can take part. so...why were people gathered in front of the capital building in the first place.

i wanted it to be more clear. is that what you were implying?

so the dems are making this up to damage trump?

do you think this is beyond him? why did trump not release the files? why did he call everyone who wanted it released a, "loser' and then follow it up by telling people to just stop thinking about it. then it was a dem conspiracy. they're going to have to deal with this at some point. and when do you finally stop calling everything a hoax or a dem conspiracy?

ok. let's just do some common sense stuff here. why were people gathered in front of the capital building that day?

it's not so much the interest rate rather the terms of the loan. you could knock it down to a 30 year over time, but you're much better off creating a budget where you can afford the 30 year than taking on the 50. what makes me the most nervous about this proposal is that it shows me that there is absolutely no plan to fix the housing market. if this is the best that can be done, we're *****.

it doesn't always appreciate. look at some of the homes in florida after the hurricanes. some have dropped wildly in value, and with the increasing insurance costs of insurance, some of the real estate down there is taking a hit. can you imagine if people had 50 year mortgages. and if someone is taking out a 50 year mortgage, there's a very good chance they don't have the ability to pay it off in 25 years. if they could they would have taken a traditional 30 year and saved a ton. republicans are also furious about this. i think trump went a little rogue and moved too fast on this. again, this isn't political at all...it's financial. thank you for articulating this so well.

stop what? we had an awful time with sleep joe, and now we have to go round 2 of it. what did you think about when you heard the 15 year car loan. i bet you thought it was ***** insane. i'm willing to be that anyone of an age to buy a car immediately thought it was a shocking stupid idea. but you know who didn't think that? the president of the united states. to that pop in your head only to quickly tweet that out is a big problem. it's the first time i've really thought that trump was getting disconnected from reality. i don't want to deal with this again. none of us should. enough.

a 15 year car loan is the most absurd thing that i can think of. for the president of the us to actually tweet that out is disgusting. there's no other group that he's appealing here other than the extremely stupid, and no...it just can't be attributed to "trump just says things". we're all hoping to fix the economy and these are the suggestions. so...is @Wolfgang ######ed? the guy just laughs at everything and thinks getting rid of more illegals is going to fix the cost of housing problem. something is off.

you can reason this any way you want brother. it's a bad investment. you said it yourself it was a bad idea. i've never rented a home, but the full ins and taxes i'm assuming are all placed on the renter. you'll always save more money renting. you have no idea if i'll be spending less in interest than a monthly rental. you make so many assumptions. a 5% down on a 500k home on a 50 year mortgage and you walk away with 100K? no. there's too many assumptions. i have no idea why anyone would argue this is an ok fit. tell you what. let's put mortgages aside for a min. sell me on a 15 year car loan now.

mortgages aren't complicated so there's no need to make it so. you keep claiming you'll have some equity over 7 years of a 50 year mortgage. how much equity do you think you'll have gained. as i mentioned earlier, the majority of that equity will be from your down payment. you'll be getting your money back with a slight bit more, but how much do you pay in interest to make that tiny bit of equity? and where do you plan on going after 7 years of a 50 year mortgage? i'm not holding on it's or they're stupid. this is dumb. for the president to present this as a solution is irresponsible. on top of that, he packaged it with a 15 year car loan? we should be insulted with the idea of a 15 year car loan. this isn't political...it's financial.

i hear ya. back in the day the best investment a young person could make was to buy a home, and we all know that is no longer the case. i also realize that just because of my age, i was amazingly lucky to buy a house 10 years ago and the cheapest of rochester housing prices. since then the house has doubled in value. the trick with the 50 year isn't the interest rate. it's the interest itself. a few posters have mentioned staying in the house for a decade, sell it off an at least you have some equity. but how much equity do they actually have. i'm willing to be that the majority equity they build comes from the down payment first placed, and a fraction is what's been paid off over the years. how much interest was paid in that time? i'll guarantee far more than equity gained. even with the equity, where are you going to go then? another 50 year mortgage or a rental? the entire point to a mortgage is to get to the side of it where you're paying more in principal than interest. that will never happen with a 50 year mortgage.