Mojo44

A great combination of a value/need pick!I actually love with the bills did on the first two days of the draft. It’s quality over quantity but that works for me.

Most strong armed quarterbacks have had this problem coming into the national football league. This includes Jim Kelly. Their arm is so strong they think they can make any throw at any time. In college you this often worked. Not so in the NFL. Give the kid time. In my opinion, his brain and work ethic are as impressive as his physical skills.

I agree completely. So much upside. Not just his physical traits but his brain! I believe he will develop into a good pocket passer. Thanks for this thread. Way too many chicken little know it all’s out there right now.

Of course! The eventual insult when somebody runs out of ammunition in terms of logical argument. OK, genius, tell all of us here how the importance of completion percentage is different now than it was when Kelly was our quarterback. Spell it out. Defend yourself on this point. Consider it a dare!!!

An absolutely false statement here. Whatever else you can say about Allen his football IQ it’s considered to be quite high from everything I have read about him from multiple sources, yes, including Mayock.

This is fundamentally false! Anyone who remembers the Russell fiasco would know this. In a nutshell, he was profoundly lazy. It was made worse by the fact that he was drafted in the days when first round rookie quarterbacks were getting ridiculous contracts. He got paid and did not care anymore. Allen is the anti-Russell! His intelligence and his work ethic are off the charts. This is why, despite wishing they had taken Rosen, I am good with the pick and believe there is a real chance this guy can be good if not great. But, however you feel, in no way, shape or form is he comparable to Russell.

Really? So tell me, genius, how do they calculate completion percentage these days? I’m not the one having a problem keeping up here, am I

Guess what? Completion percentage is calculated in the exact same way it was in the 1980s. Just in case you did not know that.

This is a well thought out post and my compliments. However, using reason and clearheaded logic will likely not have much of an impact at least for a few days for the Allen haters.

This data is certainly a poke in the eye of all of the Allen haters!

My wife is a pretty good sports fan and even will watch college sports with me. She’s a Syracuse graduate and will watch their basketball and football games with me. She tolerates me watching the bills every Sunday and the Yankees on most days. However ....... she thinks all the ado about the draft is ridiculous and she can barely contain her laughter. Thankfully she is working tonight or she would’ve found out there is actually a red carpet leading up to the draft! I have no plans on telling her about that. She would die laughing!

In my work as a psychologist I deal with chronically angry people with persistent impulse control problems all the time. It is not unusual at all for them to be smiling and actually enjoy these behaviors. Now I’m not saying you fit that bill. I’m guessing you don’t. However the fact that you claim to be smiling and having fun doesn’t disprove in any way, shape or form that your approach on this thread is tantrum like.

The tantrum like nature of your initial posts and subsequent posts are empirical data. Also, there is plenty of empirical data on Rosen available. I’ll be happy if the bills get him. By the way, I have a PhD in a scientific field and have published research studies in scientifically refereed journals. I know what empirical data is!

I’m not debating this at all. All I am saying is that the general consensus is Barkley is the best player in the draft and, while old, the Giants have a franchise quarterback. I don’t know if they will take Barkley or not. I hope they do. My only point is that Barkley is considered quite unique as far as running backs are concerned.

The only problem with this line of thinking, which is usually the case, is that Barkley is considered “generational“, literally a “franchise running back”. He is seen as markedly better than any other RB in this draft.

And for that, we thank you.

In that scenario I can’t believe they would take Allen over Rosen.

Well, that’s that. Don’t even have to watch the actual draft tomorrow. Not only that, I don’t even have to wait for the pick at number 22. I can get back to the Yankee game!

This is pretty much Mayock’s take on Allen which is why he has him so highly rated despite his college stats.

I’m actually not sure if you’re calling me lazy or not. If not OK. If so, insult not necessary. You know all of this. Allen is intelligent, dedicated, hard-working, apparently willing to put all the work to improve all of his areas that need improvement. That’s why there is more to him than that. Not just all the amazing physical stuff. Let it be quite clear. He is not my top pick. I’ve already stated that. That was all I was saying. And I stick with my opinion, if he is there at 12 and the other three are gone I think we should take him.

There is more to him than that. That’s why, in my opinion legitimately, he seems to have a high ceiling but clearly a high bust potential. Only at 12 if he is there then I’m OK with it. If they move up I hope it’s Rosen or Darnold. No move up for Mayfield for me.

Non existent.

I agree. They definitely bought some time getting us into the playoffs.

Well, whatever else you can say about him he has certainly fashioned himself a nice career. If I had known this years ago I could have saved a lot of time and money by not going to graduate school for five years and becoming a well paid draft guru. So what if I wasn’t very good at it?

Why stop at four?