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Yup. KC was looking for more help stretching the field and pressuring defenses deep. No surprise that they made a move after losing tho the Bills at home.

Agreed. I think a 5th would get it done and I’d hold firm there, but a 6th would be better. Also I know everyone loves to talk about comp picks. We’d likely net a late one down the line if we didn’t re-sign him.

Hunt would immediately be the Bills best RB. The Browns won’t want a RB back though. They would still have Chubb, Johnson and Ford. Felton too, but he’s a hybrid and hasn’t really shown what the others have. Im not sure what it would take but probably just a day 3 pick. Edited to add: Hunt is on an expiring contract. The Browns likely won’t re-sign him anyway. That obviously lower his trade value. The contract is very reasonable though. $1.35M salary, which would be prorated. Plus $200k/game active roster bonus.

I was a brewer

This is pure speculation. Sometimes players retire when they can’t or don’t want to keep doing what they’ve been doing to stay in peak shape. He retired right after he got paid, but with two seasons left on his 3yr/$24M deal. He made $9.4M that first season. So it could be that he wasn’t motivated after seeing that cash and got out of shape. Or maybe he got into PEDs so he could get that contract, got caught by the league (1st violation is a warning and not made public) and he retired because he couldn’t be effective without them. Dunno. Both are plausible. As is injuries taking their toll. We likely wont ever know.

I remember my first Chianti……

By “blowing it up” I meant that they’re doing what you are describing.

To me the Bills offer you suggest would be a little short of SF’s, but close enough that another pick would bring it in line. But I see some other issues with it. One, Moss has pretty much no trade value so you’d have to replace him with a pick. Motor is in his last season so they wouldn’t be interested in him either. The Panthers are blowing it up. They are only interested in picks and quality players who are under a cost controlled contract for years to come. I don’t see any on our roster we’re giving up - at least none they’d want. So I think our 2023 first and fourth in would be the likely equivalent. We may have had to sweeten that to beat SF. The odds of the Bills falling off this season is slim compared to SF and that’s a consideration. Also Carolina might want the higher volume of picks to restock their roster. If they insisted on our 1st and 3rd next draft, would you still make the trade? What about 1st and 4th with a 5th the following year? As much as I’d like him here, CMC’s injury history makes that too rich for me.

Yup. I’d love to have CMC on the team, but not at that price.

How freaking stupid/gullible would someone have to be to buy 50/50 tickets from Dan Snyder? You know he’s skimming.

I think the Panthers are trying to maximize the trade value by letting this play out until the deadline unless some team really steps up before then. Sure CMC might get injured and become un-tradable in the next couple games, but a number of other backs might get hurt and create urgency on the part of their playoff hopeful team. It just takes one.

This is an excellent question to discuss. Going into the KC game I wondered if the loser would make a move for CMC or another player. Let’s face it - the AFC (maybe NFL) is a two horse race. CMC would be more in line with help for the Bills while a WR would be more in line with the Chefs tho. Still, CMC would help them too. If I had to pick one of those two choices I’d have to say Bills. We’d be deeper at RB and would have widened our talent gap with the Chefs. Our chances of getting the #1 seed, beating them in the playoffs and winning the SB this season would be improved. I don’t know that I make that move at that price, but that wasn’t a choice in the hypothetical.

I voted TB, but after reading this I think you’re right. The Cowboys would be a better win. I don’t want the Vikings though. The run up would all be about the two franchises that are 0-4 in the SB are facing one another. No thank you.

RBWR is a terrible metric. The Panthers RBWR is 72%. The Bills is listed at 68%. (I notice you cut that off.) Heck, the Bills are only 7% off of first. It’s a useless metric because its inputs are very subjective and its results have very little deviation. Even if we want to pretend it has value, there’s almost no difference between the two teams we’re talking about. The Bills don’t have a good OL overall either, but don’t tell me the Panthers have a better one (overall). Do you seriously think that Singletary is getting the same attention from defenses as CMC is? LOL CMC is a far better back than Singletary. Singletary is solid, but CMC is one of the best in the league, and he’s especially dangerous as a receiver. So, yes, on the Bills he’d be significantly more productive. It depends on trade cost, obviously.

They track that stuff. They KNEW no one was watching

Couple points of disagreement and some agreement here: - the Panthers line sucks. They have one good player on it. One. - CMC is the whole offense in Carolina and defenses are keying on him and only him; contrast that with what defenses have to deal with against Buffalo. There’s no comparison. - If you don’t think that CMC would compliment this offense in ways we don’t have now, then I don’t know what to say. Maybe watch him play. - I’ve also been steadfastly against giving away big compensation for him so we agree there, if for different reasons. Mine are injury risk and the apparent high cost of acquiring him. You said that you don’t think he’d be a significant upgrade over Singletary. I think that’s ridiculous. So I’m in the “Yes, if the price is right” camp, not your “he wouldn’t help us” camp.

I’ve been pleased with Elam. I had concerns with his game, but the big caveat was that was based on only one college game where I watched him on every play. One PI and one Holding penalty on him so far. That’s not egregious. He seems a willing tackler too which is good, because there seemed little question of his toughness in general. My guess is that his total unwillingness to tackle in the game I watched was due to him trying to stay healthy for the draft and not an intrinsic trait of his. His play has been solid, which is very good for a rookie playing in his first handful of NFL games.

I think the person who wrote this is missing an enormous point - CMC’s value in the passing game, especially against C-2 and other concepts that aim to limit deep throws. He also would likely limit Josh’s designed runs, which I’d be in favor of during the regular season. Injury and trade cost concerns aside, CMC would be an amazing addition for Buffalo. The problem with trading for him is that those concerns are so substantial. But those are different arguments.

Injury history is my concern with CMC. If we were to include Singletary in a trade then we would be starting Cook or Moss if CMC gets hurt. That would make us worse off this season. If we don’t include Singletary, then how are we not including a first? That’s steep. A healthy CMC is a perfect fit for the Bills. His impact against teams playing over the top defenses would be enormous. I would certainly rather see him do that for the Bills than the Chefs. But that’s if he can stay healthy….. it’s a hell of a gamble and I think someone takes it. I just don’t know which team. I’ll say this though, if CMC wants to be a Bill and tanks his value with a tantrum I won’t hold it against him.

The dead cap stays with the Panthers. A team trading for him takes on his minimum salary for this season and three seasons at about $12M each, but ZERO of that is guaranteed except for a $1M injury guarantee next season.

This. If the defense is taking away the deep pass, which is what all seem to be moving to against good QBs, then they expect a quick pass. That means the DL knows they can’t get to the QB and is instead is looking to bat down that quick pass. When those DL get two hands up and expose their bodies, you want to see the OL make them pay for it though.

Yup. Curiosity is understandable, but it shouldn’t supersede respect.

This reminds me that I was going to start a thread about all the mistakes the Bills made in their playoff game against the Pats* last year. Sure, they scored touchdowns on every offensive possession, but they missed TWO extra points and gave up 17. Disgraceful that it wasn’t 49-0. Hell, if they’d have made the Pats* go 3-and-out every possession they could’ve scored 70. So much left on the field that day.

Yup. You just hope that blown calls don’t determine the outcome. There’s always some call made or not made that fans can complain about. Funny how you don’t see fans of the winners gripe that often - present thread excepted. There was an obvious hold by the Bills after the trip and I said to my daughter’s bf who’d been complaining about the trip, “If the Bills lose, our fans will complain about the trip not getting called. If the Chiefs lose, their fans will complain about that hold or something other call or non call. It’s just how things are.”