Kirby Jackson

A couple of quick thoughts: 1) I’m glad the message board this week wasn’t 1000 pages on Diggs not loving us and vice versa. This group has really become more secure since we’ve gotten good. If this would have happened in 2015, for example, there would be 100 pages of us crying about our gf leaving us. 2) Why the hell is there talk of a “Diggs revenge game?” Revenge from what? He came to a franchise that paid him a boatload of money, threw him the ball 10 times a game, and where he played the best football of his career. He asked to go and they traded him to a place that he was happy with. What is this revenge I’m missing?

Montana seems beautiful

I think that they believe it will look like the countless other stadium projects funded the same way…

Maybe not the place for this but this seems to be where the WR discussion is: It would not fill the glaring hole at the top of the depth chart but could be a replacement for MVS.

The Astros are eliminated. The Yanks are playing the Royals.

I haven’t bought yet but they’re dropping a lot. The morning of it’ll be dirt cheap

That’s the trip that I wanted to go on

Get in about noon tomorrow. Staying at the Marriott at the Convention Center. Will be at Christian’s for the party and probably stay through the Yankee game. We booked a dinner but going to cancel that because the Yanks are on. We will be at the tailgate. Hopefully the Bills bring it this week!!

I agree with @Rubes. The equivalent seats on one side of the field are clubs but not the other (as I understand it). There should be some solid options.

Fun and entertaining matchup

100% agree I probably would. He’s a great player and the OC is kind of ruining him. I saw something the other day talking about the route concepts under Shane Waldron. It was about JSN and DJ Moore and how much better they were or are without him.

I would trade a 1st for Wilson.

Is anyone heading to the game this weekend? A few of us are going in Saturday and out Monday? What’s the deal with the Saturday Party? Christian’s again? Tailgating Sunday?

This is kind of what I was saying above. The “it is now” might be coming from the fact that the league feels more open than most probably thought before the start of the year. The “dominant” teams aren’t as dominant as most thought at this point. Unfortunately, I think that this is more of who Curtis Samuel is than who the fans hoped they were getting. He’s not a technician or really a boundary receiver at all. He’s a gadget guy that is pretty explosive. At Ohio State he was a great playmaker and they used him all over. That’s what I hoped that they’d do here. To me, it feels like his touches have been SO predictable that it’s been hard for him to find space. He should be a rich man’s McKenzie or a poor man’s Deebo. He has been a little underwhelming but I still chalk most of it to their inability to get him into space.

I think that the last part is key. I don’t think that he will rush to do something if he doesn’t think that they can win this year. My honest opinion, is that he didn’t believe that this was a Super Bowl roster prior to the start of the year. 4 games in and the league looks worse, at the top, than it has in a bunch of years. He may now be saying, “if things fall right, we are capable of winning it all.” If he doesn’t believe that he swings on the number 1 in the offseason whether it’s a trade, draft or FA.

I’m not trying to play the, “yes they do card” but teams ABSOLUTELY throw out lowball offers all of the time. When I was working in the NBA our GM said, that the public hears of less than 5% of the offers that are made. They are constantly throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. You don’t hear about them until they become “real.” I guess where we differ, is I don’t believe that he thinks “we might be okay.” I think that he believes “we may not be able to get a deal done.”

It is, I’m just asking “what is supporting that disagreement?” The NFL teams keep showing how they feel by drafting tons of these guys early and paying the top guys north of $30M per year. What are they missing? I am trying to understand the position that it’s not that important when they keep elevating how important the position is.

That just isn’t happening now. The Rams won a Super Bowl with Kupp winning the triple crown. Mike Evans won the year before. Tyreek Hill the year before that. Right now, that’s the reality of the world. In this era, it’s more important than at any time ever. That’s why teams are allocating that money and those high draft picks to the position. There is no evidence or trend suggesting the opposite.

There is no doubt that they will. That’s obvious. It may be, “we will give you a 6th if no one has something better, call us.” They may not make an offer that will get a deal done but of course they are going to bid. It’s like buying a house that you may or may not want. The house may be listed for $500k and you’re like, “I’ll take it if I can get it for $400k.” You put in the offer, not expecting to get it but you put in the offer. That may be the situation here but they aren’t just going to withdraw without letting their compensation be known. That makes no sense and isn’t something that happens in the real world. The Raiders will field a bunch of offers (whether published or not). Some will be the $400k for the $500k house variety but they will be made. I know you’re clinging to hope that this group becomes good but that’s highly unlikely. If the scheme has a rough day, like Baltimore, then talent can’t overcome it. The Bills will be in on any and all talent at that position. It won’t be about “are they interested?” It will be, “are they going to pay the price to get the deal?” My guess is that they add a WR (and a pretty good one). I don’t know if it will be Adams or Cooper level. I’m guessing that they split the baby and get someone that’s an upgrade to Hollins but not the guy that they need at the top of the depth chart (that comes this offseason).

Then why are WRs getting drafted earlier than ever? Why are they making more money than ever? That’s not just a function of the cap going up. They are getting a higher percentage of the cap than at any point in history. It’s because the league views that as a top 2 position behind QB (along with pass rush). That’s not trending down either. It’s trending towards that even more.

That’s what this conversation is IMO. There’s no doubt that they’ll make an offer (assuming that LV converts the base). The question is, “what is the offer and can it get it done?” I don’t believe that the Bills will (or should) pay the price necessary to get him.

I agree that he brings a lot. All things being equal, “does Budda Baker or Davante Adams make a bigger difference?” I don’t think anyone can make a logical argument that it is Baker (at least until we see Edwards and Bishop). Now if we decide, “I’d rather pay the 5th round price for Baker than the 2nd plus for Adams” that’s a different argument. That could have merit. A number 1 WR just plays a role that is so much more impactful.

I’m sure that they hear rumblings but nothing beyond what most of us hear. It’s more, “yeah, the Bills are definitely interested.” That’s kind of obvious though. The Bills will be in on this. The question is, “will they pay the price needed if the Raiders convert the salary to a bonus?” That will require more compensation. How I’m interpreting that is, “the Bills will be in this until it ends. They may not be able to get the deal done at a compensation level that works.”

Not me and I like Baker. There are a couple of reasons that WR is a much bigger need imo. First, WR is WAY more impactful than S. You don’t need to look any further than contracts and where the position gets drafted to see that. WR/LT/Pass rush come after QB. Secondly, the Bills 2 best safeties may not be playing yet. Edwards has played on winning teams and is a playmaker. Bishop is absolutely their most talented safety. They may be able to upgrade there by just playing different people. We will start to see it this week with Bishop.

I can’t imagine that he thinks this group is good enough. He (wrongly) hoped to strike lightning in a bottle with former high picks that failed in the NFL (Claypool, Isabella, Hamler, and to a lesser degree Samuel). He probably hoped one of them (plus Samuel) “broke out” with Brady and Allen. The reality is that bad players with more opportunity are still bad players. Anyone who thought that this group “quietly got better” was hoping, not logically looking at the situation. This is one of the worst WR rooms in the NFL. It is no surprise that they’re not good. Beane can’t be surprised. I’m shocked that he left this draft, with the 8th or 9th WR picked, after trading down twice. That shows me that he was a little too bullish on the lightning in a bottle approach. If he traded up for Brian Thomas Jr., how much better would we be feeling about this group? You’d say, “we have a guy that has shown flashes of stardom.” They took the ultimate boom or bust prospect in Coleman and so far, he’s looked as expected (great body control, competitive with the ball in the air, no separation whatsoever). The Bills, imo, didn’t have the luxury of a project for this group. That group from a few years ago that you referenced could have take ln a shot on a project. The Bills needed productive day 1 because they didn’t have enough other talent in the room. Now we are left with this group. Kincaid and Shakir can be really good pieces. Neither has proven that they can be the guy. That’s not a knock. That’s what we should have expected when looking at the alphas around the league. If you add an Adams to this group, now you’ve got something. It pushes everyone down a slot into their more natural fit. You can play him opposite Coleman (end the Mack Hollins nonsense) and have Shakir inside. You can continue using Samuel as a chess piece but you need to use him correctly. It’s been so predictable so far. Throw him a couple of screens, a few slants and 4 or 5 carries and he will help the offense. I don’t think that he’s surprised though that he needs a number 1 receiving option. I think that he hoped for lightning in a bottle but expected this. In weather, a “watch” is more likely than an “advisory.” A tornado advisory means “there might be one.” A tornado watch means “we are expecting one.” At least that’s my perception of it.