RunTheBall

We don’t have the personel to come close to running a K-Gun like offense. One of the problems we have as I see it is way too many different personnel packages. This is Dorsey mental ***** thinking he’s going to out scheme the d coordinator and all it has done has slowed everything down, given defenses a chance to sub and match whatever package Dorsey puts on, then it takes too long to get to the line and Josh has little time to look over the defense. An offense where Josh gets to the line with 20 seconds or so to survey the defense, identify pressure, change the play or protection is what we need. Decrease the different packages, get the plays in quicker so Josh has time to look and think. Hiking the ball at 1 second every play is rushing him mentally

Any insight into the coaching staff’s opinion on what’s holding Elam back? Bad practice habits? Just a bust pick? The whole situation with him has been bizarre

Let me preface this by saying on the list of problems this team has I don’t think Josh is in the Top 5. We need a team that can win when Josh isn’t doing it all himself. I’ve never been on the “Josh needs to run less” train and now I’m pissed because I think his whole head space has been mangled by the coaches and Beane beating into him that he has to protect himself. He needs to run smarter, not less. They neutered him and it’s clear it’s taken away some of his fire. His whole game is off at times because he needs to lay a f’n shoulder into a dude to get the fires really burning. . Since his 2nd season I always waited for that one run where he dished out the pain at the end of a run and thought “now we will start cooking”. All this “low positive” zen sht needs to take a hike. Give me the guy with a fire in his belly, firing up his teammates and sht talking all game long and I’ll accept a bunch of “WTF was that” interceptions because he’s putting up twice as many TDs. He’s 6 years in. He doesn’t need Dorsey to tell him to hit a hot route when the blitz comes. Give me Sugar High Josh back who wants to score on every play and lay out a linebacker because this version is thinking too much and not playing.

I totally agree. What's even worse is that such a complicated offense to learn is so easy to defend. The end product is a very vanilla looking O that depends on perfect execution. How many times do we have to hear opposing players say they knew exactly what we were going to run? Yet you have Gabe 2-routes-and-a-drop Davis saying they need to simplify it. So we have an offense that takes way too long for players to assimilate into yet fools no one. Brilliant Ken!

There are a lot bigger problems than Josh right now but since he's the QB it has a huge impact on the rest of the team. You can't turn your emotions on and off like a light switch. Josh has lost his mojo, I hope he gets it back. I think over coaching got into his head. I always thought once Josh took off and lowered a shoulder that his competitive juices started flowing and he played better. I know that's taboo around here.

Something is going on in Josh’s headspace and I have no idea what it is. Granted we get limited tv shots of him on the sidelines so maybe this is just a bad sample but I’ve never seen such poor body language, deer in the headlights stares, and Allen sitting by himself staring into nowhere. Allen didn’t all of a sudden just forget how to read defenses but he’s done a poor job of it recently. He didn’t forget how to count defensive players to a running play’s side. He didn’t forget how to hit a hot route. So wtf is going on? IDK. I think he can pull out of it, at least I hope so or this season is over. Allen isn’t in the top 5 of problems with our team right now but when your franchise QB is in a funk, which he is, it has a much greater impact than say Gabe Davis doing his usual disappearing act. I think overall Dorsey and Josh aren’t on the same page every game. We’ve had 3 good games where both were solid. Jets game Dorsey called a good one, Josh was out of his mind. The NE game was very similar, not a bad game plan with Josh’s head somewhere else until the second half when I think he stopped over thinking and just started trusting his instincts. Against Jax/Giants I thought the gameplan sucked and Josh was solid. This team isn’t having fun anymore and it shows. Stack a few W’s and it gets a lot more fun.

Who made the decision to let him play with a busted wrist? This team is usually pretty conservative with injuries, that decision could have cost us a game. Knox is a solid TE who’s over paid for his production, especially this year. I couldn’t care less about his salary as I’m not paying it and neither are you. Part of his lack of production is on Ken Shotgun Dorsey and his Magic 8 Ball play calling If they want to run 12p they can slot Edwards in which they’ve been doing all season. He will be WIDE OPEN for a TD pass in the RZ.

I don’t think Dorsey schemes the offense to take advantage of the opposing defense’s weaknesses. He may scheme against expected defensive looks, but it doesn’t seem like he looks at the opposing players and says “This guy sucks, and this unit blows, so we are going to design our game plan to exploit that” unless it’s a crappy corner one on one with Diggs and then any of us All Pro OC’s as Josh would say could call the same game. Also, there doesn’t seem to be any set up of plays. It’s the friggin Magic 8 Ball offense where you shake up the plays and just run whatever pops up. Good offensive coordinators know how teams are going to attack us, plan how to exploit that, then also plan for the expected defensive adjustments to that exploitation in advance.

I don’t think you can just flick a switch and Allen will be the gunslinger of old. They’ve neutered him. This could be a career defining year for him. He looks disinterested. He’s getting snippy with the media where he was always Joe Cool. I’m seeing that deer in the headlights look too much. Josh isn’t in the top 5 of Bills problems but because this team is so reliant on him, it really has an effect on the entire team. Dorsey should be fired for this development alone.

Lost That’s what this team is. Completely lost It’s going to go 1 of 2 ways. 1 - The wheels blow off, we miss the playoffs and we blow it up and start again 2 - We get a Tampa moment, things click and the offense becomes a jaggernaut in the second half of the season into the playoffs 2 more points - Josh is not seeing the field well. IDK why, maybe it’s the 50% pressure rate but he’s regressed in his field perception. His A/C joint obviously affected his accuracy today but that’s not an excuse and I think he’ll work through it. That flag that was picked up on the screen was the correct call. The pass was behind the line of scrimmage which negates the illegal man down field. Of course, fire Dorsey into the sun and how do we allow McCorkle to march down the field in under 2 minutes. This game is the first time I’ve started to question whether McD is the right guy and I LOVE what he’s done for this team and city. I’ve been drinking bourbon since the second quarter

That and they are all WAY over sensitive to criticism. I enjoy Cover 1 content and for the casual fan I think it adds a little something. Since they exist on twitter they get the majority of their feedback from the loud mouths of the fan base and then generalize those opinions to all Bills fans. I tend to think the majority of Bills fans who really follow the game are more intelligent than twitter douche’s and have more nuanced opinions. Just because Filthy Beast is out there calling for McD’s head and rooting for the Fish doesn’t mean the majority of Bills fans are

If ever there was such a thing as a “get right” game this one SHOULD be it. How far we’ve come that NE is now that beat down team. LOVE IT. Cheating f Yeah I know its a division game and the Hoodie and we haven’t looked good in 2 weeks. NE is decimated on defense. No Judon, no Uche, no Gonzales (rookie but whatever). If Dorsey/Josh can’t get this offense on track vs this dumpster fire then we are in trouble. Mac Jones is GARBAGE. I hope they keep him for a decade. Just play 2 high zone and rush the passer. He’s so scared of his lack of O-line protection that he’s throwing quick not past 10 yards. That being said, Bills by a FG because we are BILLSY

Josh is the best QB we will likely ever see on the Bills in our lifetime. As a HUGE Jim Kelly fan, it’s pretty clear Josh is better in almost every aspect except leading his team to Super Bowls (so far). Josh isn’t perfect, no QB is, and some of the offensive woes (like the Jets game) fall squarely on his shoulders. BUT, that’s why you want to have a balanced team so Josh doesn’t have to be perfect all the time. We’ve got a running game now. I’d like to see Dorsey step up and scheme Josh easier throws when he’s not playing his best. I’d also like to see someone besides Diggs step up to be that safety blanket that Beasley was. Knox hasn’t done it, Davis hasn’t done it, so maybe Kincaid or Shakir can develop into that guy.

So not having Ed on the field is never a good thing, but I’m not as concerned against NE as Ed is more of a penetrating DT and the NYG took advantage of him in their run game. I, and everyone I’d guess, expect NE to try and run the ball and control some clock since Mac SUCKS and the NE passing game is the worst in the league right now. They are running much more power/wham/trap than the zone scheme they’ve tried in the past (kinda like us) and Stevenson/Elliot are powerful between the tackles runners. IDK if it hurts us that much to have a couple fat bodies who maybe don’t penetrate as much but can tie up O-lineman to keep our LBs free to shoot gaps. Time for our other DT’s to make a little noise with their opportunity.

I expected Dorsey/Josh to dink and dunk more and run better just as an expansion of our offense and to get teams out of that 2 high shell which limits deep/intermediate passing. I figured when teams did that, we'd go back to our bread and butter with the deep crosses and overs plus seam shots to Kincaid Boy was I wrong. We don't have the consistent playmakers for a precision offense to be successful for 60 minutes. My solution: Easy throws to several players early to get everyone in the game Test out run game under center early More pre snap motion A commitment to play action More Josh runs or the green light to scramble when it's there Force teams out of that 2 high then hit them intermediate/deep as soon as they do. Get the big plays back in this offense. Starts with letting Josh run more (not get hit more). It can done Mahomes does it to near perfection. Uses his legs when he needs to and at key moments.

What is our identity as an offense? Until we can definitively answer that, then Dorsey isn’t doing his job. Right now it looks the same as last year. Ken puts about 15 random plays in a hat and shakes them up. 10 say you have 1 read and his name is Diggs. 1 play action shot to Davis. 1 shotgun draw. 1 dealers choice (that’s where anyone not named Diggs or Davis gets their total targets). The last 2 say “Josh figure it out after you hike the ball”. He just shakes up the hat and pulls out a play and that’s our rhythm. Notice there are no Josh Run plays even on a scramble and that’s a big problem. They’ve neutered Josh and it’s having a big effect on the offense. His legs must get more involved. That’s what our offense has looked like since halfway through last season. Josh is also a problem because he’s not even looking at anyone but Diggs even when they are open. Dorsey needs to change the reads and get more people involved earlier. For every 2 Diggs, make someone else the first read and Diggs #2.

He hurt his shoulder in the pocket then launched into a LB with it during the scrum. I think he's going to be ok. Again, Josh running is an integral part of who he is and a huge threat DCs need to account for. He can scrambke when there is the opportunity and not get touched. He can run the power sweep and have minimal contact with all the fat boys in front.

Ha! Love McD. Isn't going to pretend he likes a guy if he doesn't. There were more fire Daboll threads than there are fire Dorsey threads at this time and some are acting like we lost Vince Lombardi to the G-men. Let's see how his team responds to being a doormat before we lament the fact that we kept the winningest coach in franchise history over the angry fat guy. And I liked Daboll glad he landed a HC gig.

Dorsey needs to unleash Josh. We need a couple designed runs especially in the red zone. He's always better after a good run. Don't give me the "he's gonna get hurt" crap that's BS - he's getting hurt in the pocket. It's year friggin 6, the guy can slide or get OOB. Give him the encouragement to take off when there's green in front of him. I firmly believe a big part of our offensive problems is teams aren't worried about him running anymore. If we can see the hesitation then D coordinators absolutely do.

Good points. To the first, it was my own BBFS that got the best of me. In the pre-game thread, I mentioned this is exactly the type of Billsy game we tend to sht the bed with, and it almost happened. The key word being almost - in the past Bills lose this game 8/10 times. Maybe pulling this one off will give them some confidence in close games. In my over 40 years of fandom, Buffalo tends to play down to its competition more often than not. We also play up to the competition though, so there is that. To the second, you are right Dorsey had a good game against the Dolphins. In fact his first 3 games were solidly called. My concern is same as last year. As soon as teams get a little tape on him and make adjustments, he takes way too long to make any of his own. I’m also very concerned they over-coached Josh about his running. Yes, we all want him to take fewer hits but he can take the yards that are there, or use his legs in a “break glass in case of emergency” sense, and he’s not doing that. A huge part of Josh’s game is his ability to run. If you take that away and other teams stop worrying or gameplanning against it, he will be less effective.

Eh I’ll take an ugly W over a pretty L any Sunday It’s only game 6. I’d rather they start to get it together mid season and peak towards the end of the season/playoffs. I’m just not confident Dorsey is the guy to do it but we are stuck with him. I don’t care what the stats say. We can all use our eyes and see that there is no identity or flow to this offense. It’s back to Allen/Diggs and they’ve cut Josh’s legs off of him. I’m all for Allen taking less hits and sliding/get out of bounds BUT you can see he’s over thinking it. When he’s rolling and there’s green in front of him he needs to just take off and get the easy yards. There have been way too many first downs left on the field because he hesitates and then throws incomplete or short. Gotta let the horse run.

Eh I’ve seen enough of Gabe. Get what we can out of him this year then let him walk. If Dorsey would get his head out of his ass and actually use the middle of the field with Kincaid/Cook/Knox, Gabe would have even better numbers. I don’t really care about his overall stats, I care that he consistently has drive killing drops and the one time he made a guy miss and got some YAC he fumbled yesterday.

Oh god a Pats* fan commenting on no calls hahaha priceless If we are going to play that game, Barkley was pushed backwards out of bounds a couple plays earlier in the drive and the clock didn’t keep running. They never should have had 2 chances for DPIs to begin with

In the Jet’s game that was true. Since then he’s been excellent at taking who’s open quick, and that’s almost always and only Diggs. Let’s wait until the All-22 comes out but from the TV angles I didn’t see many guys open at all. A huge part of that is Dorsey’s crap play calling, another part is we have a bunch of JAGs including Davis outside of Diggs.

I think Harris got a bad stinger. The hit was clean, almost looked like a whiplash injury. After Hamlin the NFL is going to always err on the side of caution. He’ll be back in a 2-3 weeks in my armchair doc opinion.