RunTheBall

I expected Dorsey/Josh to dink and dunk more and run better just as an expansion of our offense and to get teams out of that 2 high shell which limits deep/intermediate passing. I figured when teams did that, we'd go back to our bread and butter with the deep crosses and overs plus seam shots to Kincaid Boy was I wrong. We don't have the consistent playmakers for a precision offense to be successful for 60 minutes. My solution: Easy throws to several players early to get everyone in the game Test out run game under center early More pre snap motion A commitment to play action More Josh runs or the green light to scramble when it's there Force teams out of that 2 high then hit them intermediate/deep as soon as they do. Get the big plays back in this offense. Starts with letting Josh run more (not get hit more). It can done Mahomes does it to near perfection. Uses his legs when he needs to and at key moments.

What is our identity as an offense? Until we can definitively answer that, then Dorsey isn’t doing his job. Right now it looks the same as last year. Ken puts about 15 random plays in a hat and shakes them up. 10 say you have 1 read and his name is Diggs. 1 play action shot to Davis. 1 shotgun draw. 1 dealers choice (that’s where anyone not named Diggs or Davis gets their total targets). The last 2 say “Josh figure it out after you hike the ball”. He just shakes up the hat and pulls out a play and that’s our rhythm. Notice there are no Josh Run plays even on a scramble and that’s a big problem. They’ve neutered Josh and it’s having a big effect on the offense. His legs must get more involved. That’s what our offense has looked like since halfway through last season. Josh is also a problem because he’s not even looking at anyone but Diggs even when they are open. Dorsey needs to change the reads and get more people involved earlier. For every 2 Diggs, make someone else the first read and Diggs #2.

He hurt his shoulder in the pocket then launched into a LB with it during the scrum. I think he's going to be ok. Again, Josh running is an integral part of who he is and a huge threat DCs need to account for. He can scrambke when there is the opportunity and not get touched. He can run the power sweep and have minimal contact with all the fat boys in front.

Ha! Love McD. Isn't going to pretend he likes a guy if he doesn't. There were more fire Daboll threads than there are fire Dorsey threads at this time and some are acting like we lost Vince Lombardi to the G-men. Let's see how his team responds to being a doormat before we lament the fact that we kept the winningest coach in franchise history over the angry fat guy. And I liked Daboll glad he landed a HC gig.

Dorsey needs to unleash Josh. We need a couple designed runs especially in the red zone. He's always better after a good run. Don't give me the "he's gonna get hurt" crap that's BS - he's getting hurt in the pocket. It's year friggin 6, the guy can slide or get OOB. Give him the encouragement to take off when there's green in front of him. I firmly believe a big part of our offensive problems is teams aren't worried about him running anymore. If we can see the hesitation then D coordinators absolutely do.

Good points. To the first, it was my own BBFS that got the best of me. In the pre-game thread, I mentioned this is exactly the type of Billsy game we tend to sht the bed with, and it almost happened. The key word being almost - in the past Bills lose this game 8/10 times. Maybe pulling this one off will give them some confidence in close games. In my over 40 years of fandom, Buffalo tends to play down to its competition more often than not. We also play up to the competition though, so there is that. To the second, you are right Dorsey had a good game against the Dolphins. In fact his first 3 games were solidly called. My concern is same as last year. As soon as teams get a little tape on him and make adjustments, he takes way too long to make any of his own. I’m also very concerned they over-coached Josh about his running. Yes, we all want him to take fewer hits but he can take the yards that are there, or use his legs in a “break glass in case of emergency” sense, and he’s not doing that. A huge part of Josh’s game is his ability to run. If you take that away and other teams stop worrying or gameplanning against it, he will be less effective.

Eh I’ll take an ugly W over a pretty L any Sunday It’s only game 6. I’d rather they start to get it together mid season and peak towards the end of the season/playoffs. I’m just not confident Dorsey is the guy to do it but we are stuck with him. I don’t care what the stats say. We can all use our eyes and see that there is no identity or flow to this offense. It’s back to Allen/Diggs and they’ve cut Josh’s legs off of him. I’m all for Allen taking less hits and sliding/get out of bounds BUT you can see he’s over thinking it. When he’s rolling and there’s green in front of him he needs to just take off and get the easy yards. There have been way too many first downs left on the field because he hesitates and then throws incomplete or short. Gotta let the horse run.

Eh I’ve seen enough of Gabe. Get what we can out of him this year then let him walk. If Dorsey would get his head out of his ass and actually use the middle of the field with Kincaid/Cook/Knox, Gabe would have even better numbers. I don’t really care about his overall stats, I care that he consistently has drive killing drops and the one time he made a guy miss and got some YAC he fumbled yesterday.

Oh god a Pats* fan commenting on no calls hahaha priceless If we are going to play that game, Barkley was pushed backwards out of bounds a couple plays earlier in the drive and the clock didn’t keep running. They never should have had 2 chances for DPIs to begin with

In the Jet’s game that was true. Since then he’s been excellent at taking who’s open quick, and that’s almost always and only Diggs. Let’s wait until the All-22 comes out but from the TV angles I didn’t see many guys open at all. A huge part of that is Dorsey’s crap play calling, another part is we have a bunch of JAGs including Davis outside of Diggs.

I think Harris got a bad stinger. The hit was clean, almost looked like a whiplash injury. After Hamlin the NFL is going to always err on the side of caution. He’ll be back in a 2-3 weeks in my armchair doc opinion.

W. That’s all that matters this early in the season. Now let me complain… I called this in the lead-up thread. This was a perfect Billsy game playing down to the competition. When do we ever blow the doors off a team when every single angle points to a Bills blow out? Never. #1 problem is Dorsey. I held my tongue last year, I defended him in the first 3 games because his game plans were good, the last 3 games he’s absolutely sucked. It’s like he spends all off season coming up with a plan, teams adjust after a few games and his play sheet becomes 90% “Josh make a play” This offense has NO identity. It looks like sandlot football where guys just call plays in the huddle. Zero set up, zero flow. It’s an abomination not to start running the ball until the second quarter. No one gets open besides Diggs and the play calling isn’t helping matters much. Too much shotgun, and that shotgun run on the goal line is a fireable offense. I really think they’ve coached the dog out of Josh. There were at least 3 first downs Josh could have easily run and slid for where he hesitated and threw short or incomplete. This is a big problem. I agree we want him to take fewer hits but it’s obvious he’s thinking too much when there’s tons of green in front of him for easy yards. We need those legs in the right situations and I think Dorsey/McD have done him and the team a disservice by taking that away. Love the W. Hope they figure it out on offense. Lots of games left to be played.

I’m a doc. Not a foot guy though idk how those guys do it every day.

Where did you get this from? The only bones in the foot are metacarpals (Toes) and meta tarsals (connected to the toes) before the ankle/leg bones. A broken toe you can deal with. A broken metacarpal, which is more likely, can absolutely be made worse with continued use and if it’s a hairline fracture they he’s definitely at risk for fracturing it completely and requiring surgery. I was worried about a broken metatarsal (Sammy Watkins had this and had surgery then came back too soon) so please let me know where you heard this. I’d be shocked if they are letting him play with that but who knows, I’ve been wrong before. Ok so this is the type of game where Buffalo scares the sht out of me. Every single factor points to us absolutely destroying their offense. They have by far the WORST O-line in the league with all their injuries. We have one of the best D-lines (Well, with Jones we did) and the most sacks in the league. Everything points to us blowing up their offense. Why do I think that’s not going to happen? Is it my BBFS kicking in? It seems so often that when we have a clear advantage in one area, we don’t take advantage of it. Against Cinci they had a garbage O-line and we didn’t take advantage of it. I’m still worried we play down to our opponent. Hopefully I’m wrong and we blow their doors off.

I’m one of those “Just Win Baby” posters and I don’t care how it gets done. Nothing matters this early in the season except stacking W’s. How it’s done means nothing other than to make some posters feel good about themselves and the team. The key is to peak towards the end of the season into the playoffs assuming we have the record to make the playoffs (and that’s not a given despite the attitude here). So just win. If we destroy them like we did Miami then great! I LOVED that. I LOVED destroying the Pats* in the playoffs with a perfect game. But I didn’t expect it, and I never do. I just hope for the W and anything more than that is gravy.

Pats* have always been cheating bastards but that example is just great gameplanning

Seriously someone on that broadcast has to say “That was an awful decision by Mahomes”

Josh makes that throw and everyone on Earth would melt down

Von was on a pitch count. I didn’t expect a thing from him and he delivered nothing. This was just to get him a few game reps. It’s going to take a few weeks for him to get up to speed.

We will see in the All-22 but even in the last 3 blow outs Dorsey has not gotten them much involved in the game plan outside of being outlet receivers.

Eisen sucks as an announcer. I don’t care if he’s a Bills fan (he’s not) he just flat out blows

I think it’s clear that staying in London for 2 weeks was an advantage for Jax and puts the second team at a clear disadvantage. That doesn’t explain Dorsey’s garbage game plan, the complete absences of tight ends from our offense, and the assinine shotgun draw play that he runs constantly.

Dorsey obviously didn’t sleep all week because his game plan was absolute garbage. Yeah Ken can’t catch the ball but after 3 or 4 three and outs to start the game maybe you scarp your crap plan and open up the offense. Jax took away the short stuff, the TE’s should have been down the seam all night. I’m watching tight ends all over the league catch balls left and right and all we can do is have Kincaid catch a 2 yard out. Knox has regressed but he has some talent. Kincaid was a monster at Utah and all Dorsey has him doing is acting like an outlet receiver. I’m pissed. F the jet lag, this offense sucked and lost us the game.

Dorsey was a friggin waste product today. I’ve been defending him first 4 games because his game plans were legit and Josh crapped the bed the first game when there were plays to be made. This one was an absolute disaster. He has ZERO ability to utilize the tight ends, can’t get away from the shotgun runs, can’t adjust when his original plan gets stymied. It’s criminal how Kincaid is being used. We don’t even see Knox hit the seams, everything is an out or a dig route. Ask my wife - since Dorsey took over I can call 75% of the plays. That’s absolutely ridiculous and I’m just an armchair Coach/GM. Defensive coordinators don’t have to guess much with Dorsey, we just have better talent than most so we overcome his lack of ingenuity. I’ll give him a few more games because he has shown some growth this season but this game was mostly on him and he f’n sucked.

I’ve been a Dorsey critic last year, a Dorsey apologist so far this year, but this game is 75% on Ken “Shotgun” Dorsey and 25% on the drive killing drops (Knox, Davis, Cook, and Kincaid not reaching for the 1st). Dorsey sucked. This game plan was a failure from the beginning and he should have abandoned it well before 6 mins left in the 4th quarter. Some games you just can’t run, and instead of trying the same shotgun draw over and over he should have ran Allen. I am convinced that if he had told Allen to start using his legs and called designed runs, between he and Diggs they could have won this game ugly. Where was Josh under center?? Where the HELL is Kincaid in the passing game?? Has this guy ever ran a seam route? WTF is Dorsey doing with our TE’s? Knox is invisible and when he’s not, he’s dropping balls. I am rapidly dropping off the Knox bandwagon. Obviously running Josh didn’t happen. I’m disgusted with this offense. There is NO WAY we should only have 7 points after 3.5 quarters. I’m sorry, the Jags have a middle of the road D. They shut us down. Allen didn’t play great, he didn’t suck, he played pretty good. That should be enough to win against F’n Jacksonville. Dorsey flat out sucked. Our D deserves a friggin medal except for Elam who should be shot into the sun. Down 6 starters, guys dropping left and right, and they still were making plays and keeping the team in the game. Yeah, there were more plays to be made but how many red zone turnovers can you force without the offense doing a damn thing to help? Fk London, Fk Goodell, Fk the refs, Fk the turf, fk the Pats*, Fk everything I need another drink. We are on to Cincinnati (New York) PS Don’t get me started on the injuries. If Milano has a combo fracture/ACL that’s potentially career threatening. Daquan Jones is as big a loss as Milano he’s been playing at a pro bowl level.