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You should invest in the all-22. You might not be so clueless.

Ok…..I didn’t realize I ever said how amazing he was based on this game. Yes, I’ve been overhyping him more than anyone on the board, but I haven’t said much of anything about him since the jets game. I said he looked pretty good. As he did.

Uhhhhhh…..He got open and caught the ball every time he was targeted …. 💯 catch rate. That stat is more important than catches and yards. what more could he do? He doesn’t throw the ball to himself. He looked good. No one is saying he l deserves all pro. do you have an any examples of Kincaid being overhyped based on that game? I didn’t see much tbh. Mostly, “he looked good”. He did

As did Kincaid

He also had just 4 targets last week. Same as Cook. One more target than Harty. Did I miss Dorsey getting Kincaid involved in the second half of the game? 3 targets at halftime up 10. 1 target after the half, when we needed him. it’s not all on Dorsey. It’s on Josh too. It just didn’t seem like Dorsey made him the clear #2 option that he should be. It’ll come. If it doesn’t Dorsey will likely be looking for a new job next offseason

I remember when Nate Clements ended Tom Brady’s career….. oh wait

Ok, roll your eyes at my apology. No, current Josh is NOT the same and you’ve said as much in the rest of this thread. Yet still decided to argue my point

My point all along- current Josh and ‘20 ‘21 Josh are not the same. Yet that was disputed. That could change….and hopefully will, but that’s not the point in all of this. Something isn’t right and his elbow is fine. The underlying point in this is that we need an OC that can best help him get back to 2020 Josh or better. That may be Dorsey. I liked the game plan on Monday but there were a handful of situational play calls that had me feeling a certain type of way. He has the season to turn Josh back around. It’s a tough situation to have your career in the hands of someone else, but that’s really the case here Imo. He needs to find a way to right the Josh allen ship @Beck WaterI apologize if I offended you. I tend to be blunt and to the point when things are blatantly obvious to me and my eyes. I now realize that you were just sparking discussion, while I was just shutting it down because I didn’t think there was a discussion to be had.

Backing up my criticism? I mean…. who isn’t criticizing him? I still love the guy, but let’s be real. For an elite QB, he’s been very meh for the last 13 games I would definitely take Caleb and Marvin jr for him.

I’d trade him to Arizona for both of their firsts this year. that’s about all I would trade him for though

Yeah, seems like he’s lined up 3 yards off the line of scrimmage and leaves early

When he’s great- he’s praised. When he sucks and loses games singlehandedly- he’s ridiculed. that’s life, if he can’t deal with that, kick rocks. Luckily, he can deal with it. He understands that he stunk and deserves to get ripped. He’s his own biggest critic

Kincaid can provide that if Dorsey decides to allow it

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I hear ya, it’s a bit harsh for sure. There are things you do and things you don’t do. I can understand giving her a pass based on Diggs’ reaction. I think he may have saved her job by apologizing himself. Whitlock is terrible for sure, but he and Diggs don’t work for the same company. Maddy should know better

Ok. Josh is still the same player. My bad.

Talking smack about one of your employers most important assets is never a tolerable offense. Especially when you’re slandering their character. She’s got to go imo, but she’s Kims girl, so I’m eager to see how they handle this.

If I’m Diggs, I’d be furious too. Later Maddy, you gave it your best shot. Then you blew it. Time to go. ☮️

I also said that I didn’t think Dorsey was the difference…… but it’s his job to figure it out

This all started because you called out me and rebutted my statement that current josh isn’t 2020-21 josh. I don’t understand why you would even waste your time rebutting that. sorry if I offended you by saying you should watch the games….. but it’s quite obvious that he has not been playing QB at the same level as he was in 20-21. You can spout off whatever stats you want….. but it doesn’t change the fact that my statement is correct. Current Josh is not the same. I don’t have to list stats to be right. No footnotes needed. The world has eyeballs and it agrees with me. What’s there to discuss? The point you’re disputing is absolutely correct. There’s no need to have a discussion about it. Everyone knows he’s playing worse.

Max Crosby vs Spencer Brown says hi!

@Beck Water seems to be the consensus that current 17 is not the same as 17 under Daboll. That was the point you were contending with me. I said “Right…. But let’s not act like the current Josh allen is the same josh allen we saw under Daboll”. Where you replied with “isn’t he” and posted stats. I said watch the game, it’s obvious. Then more stats. And stats. Watch the game. His QB play has slipped over the last 13 games. again…..I’m not saying that Dorsey is the reason, but it’s his job to figure out how to get better results. He’s got 16ish games to do so

Ignore my question and post artwork. I’ll ask again. Since halftime of the Green Bay game last season, do you think Josh Allen has regressed, improved or is he the same QB that we saw in 2020 and 21? Josh Allen has averaged .33 turnovers per game in the playoffs under Daboll. He had 2 turnovers in 6 games. Under Dorsey, he has 4 turnovers in 2 playoff games. 2 per game….. twice as many turnovers in one third of the games. He has 21 turnovers in his last 13 games. The worst stretch of his career. 1.6 per game. There’s a reason his bad play is trending on social media, YT and message boards. It’s because his play has clearly regressed over the last 13 games. This isn’t just my opinion. This is the worlds opinion. But link charts and find the stats that support your argument. I’ll link stats to support mine. I’m not saying that Ken Dorsey is the reason he’s regressed. I’m not saying he can’t turn things around under Dorsey. My point in all of this is that he has regressed over the last 13 games……and if you don’t it see this after watching every one of those 13 games (multiple times I’m sure) than you don’t know much about QB play. His decision making and his pocket presence have both taken a noticeable turn for the worse. But in reality, I’m sure you agree that he’s gotten worse over the last 13 games and are just compiling stats simply because the stats exist. I hear ya. I like McD. Idk if he’s the guy to get us a Lombardi but we could definitely do much worse. If this year doesn’t end well, I’d give Ben Johnson (and possibly others) a chance to get in 17s ear and hopefully flip the switch.

I’m not talking politics. I’m making a clear point. You can find stats to that favor the sides of any debate. Josh IS more turnover prone since Daboll. This is a fact. He’s more turnover prone under Dorsey in his 5th and 6th years in the league than he was under Daboll as rookie and 2nd year player. A rookie and 2nd year player most people said was a turnover waiting to happen. He was reckless and everyone knew it. Now he’s even more reckless…..and everyone knows it. You can bring up all the examples that you like. Just like stats. There are examples of several things that aren’t true. I have one example. Look at his career turnover per game under Daboll, including the years he was considered a raw prospect that needed a LOT of work. Now look at his turnovers per game as a 5th and 6th year all pro. so let me me ask you this. Since halftime of the Green Bay game last season, do you think Josh Allen has regressed or is he the same or better QB that we saw in 2020 and 21? Your talk about Brady and Belichick. Who else? You don’t agree that it would be beneficial to have an offensive HC, one where the QB will be using the same system and have the same play calling year after year? The same voice to lean on. To have someone that has proven to be good at what they do year after year. Instead of rolling the dice with new guys and new systems that, in many cases, haven’t even called played before.

👍🏻 it’s a long season. Let’s hope they (Josh and Ken) can right the ship and get us into the playoffs. I realize Dorsey is also learning…..and I saw some stuff that I really liked on Monday. We need more of it.