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Ok. Josh is still the same player. My bad.

Talking smack about one of your employers most important assets is never a tolerable offense. Especially when you’re slandering their character. She’s got to go imo, but she’s Kims girl, so I’m eager to see how they handle this.

If I’m Diggs, I’d be furious too. Later Maddy, you gave it your best shot. Then you blew it. Time to go. ☮️

I also said that I didn’t think Dorsey was the difference…… but it’s his job to figure it out

This all started because you called out me and rebutted my statement that current josh isn’t 2020-21 josh. I don’t understand why you would even waste your time rebutting that. sorry if I offended you by saying you should watch the games….. but it’s quite obvious that he has not been playing QB at the same level as he was in 20-21. You can spout off whatever stats you want….. but it doesn’t change the fact that my statement is correct. Current Josh is not the same. I don’t have to list stats to be right. No footnotes needed. The world has eyeballs and it agrees with me. What’s there to discuss? The point you’re disputing is absolutely correct. There’s no need to have a discussion about it. Everyone knows he’s playing worse.

Max Crosby vs Spencer Brown says hi!

@Beck Water seems to be the consensus that current 17 is not the same as 17 under Daboll. That was the point you were contending with me. I said “Right…. But let’s not act like the current Josh allen is the same josh allen we saw under Daboll”. Where you replied with “isn’t he” and posted stats. I said watch the game, it’s obvious. Then more stats. And stats. Watch the game. His QB play has slipped over the last 13 games. again…..I’m not saying that Dorsey is the reason, but it’s his job to figure out how to get better results. He’s got 16ish games to do so

Ignore my question and post artwork. I’ll ask again. Since halftime of the Green Bay game last season, do you think Josh Allen has regressed, improved or is he the same QB that we saw in 2020 and 21? Josh Allen has averaged .33 turnovers per game in the playoffs under Daboll. He had 2 turnovers in 6 games. Under Dorsey, he has 4 turnovers in 2 playoff games. 2 per game….. twice as many turnovers in one third of the games. He has 21 turnovers in his last 13 games. The worst stretch of his career. 1.6 per game. There’s a reason his bad play is trending on social media, YT and message boards. It’s because his play has clearly regressed over the last 13 games. This isn’t just my opinion. This is the worlds opinion. But link charts and find the stats that support your argument. I’ll link stats to support mine. I’m not saying that Ken Dorsey is the reason he’s regressed. I’m not saying he can’t turn things around under Dorsey. My point in all of this is that he has regressed over the last 13 games……and if you don’t it see this after watching every one of those 13 games (multiple times I’m sure) than you don’t know much about QB play. His decision making and his pocket presence have both taken a noticeable turn for the worse. But in reality, I’m sure you agree that he’s gotten worse over the last 13 games and are just compiling stats simply because the stats exist. I hear ya. I like McD. Idk if he’s the guy to get us a Lombardi but we could definitely do much worse. If this year doesn’t end well, I’d give Ben Johnson (and possibly others) a chance to get in 17s ear and hopefully flip the switch.

I’m not talking politics. I’m making a clear point. You can find stats to that favor the sides of any debate. Josh IS more turnover prone since Daboll. This is a fact. He’s more turnover prone under Dorsey in his 5th and 6th years in the league than he was under Daboll as rookie and 2nd year player. A rookie and 2nd year player most people said was a turnover waiting to happen. He was reckless and everyone knew it. Now he’s even more reckless…..and everyone knows it. You can bring up all the examples that you like. Just like stats. There are examples of several things that aren’t true. I have one example. Look at his career turnover per game under Daboll, including the years he was considered a raw prospect that needed a LOT of work. Now look at his turnovers per game as a 5th and 6th year all pro. so let me me ask you this. Since halftime of the Green Bay game last season, do you think Josh Allen has regressed or is he the same or better QB that we saw in 2020 and 21? Your talk about Brady and Belichick. Who else? You don’t agree that it would be beneficial to have an offensive HC, one where the QB will be using the same system and have the same play calling year after year? The same voice to lean on. To have someone that has proven to be good at what they do year after year. Instead of rolling the dice with new guys and new systems that, in many cases, haven’t even called played before.

👍🏻 it’s a long season. Let’s hope they (Josh and Ken) can right the ship and get us into the playoffs. I realize Dorsey is also learning…..and I saw some stuff that I really liked on Monday. We need more of it.

I agree, let’s give him more time. We don’t really have a choice at this point. I’m sure Josh will turn things around. Hopefully enough to still be an elite QB. my only point in all of this is that having a good offensive head coach would be better for Josh than having a good defensive head coach.

They’d become more competitive…..of course. But would he be as good as he is now, as he is in Andy Reid’s system with him in his ear like he’s been his entire nfl career?

For sure. My point is- it’s better to have one consistent great mind whispering in the QBs ear for his career than having several voices, systems, concepts and verbiage. Possibly changing every 2-3 years. How many top tier QBs are being coached head coaches that weren’t OCs? Justin Herbert and Lamar. 1 playoff win between them. Again…..there’s more than one way to skin a cat….. and there’s clearly a best way to skin one. Who is saying he “needs”? It helps. Do you think Mahomes would be the same without reid?

Allen and Diggs are the best pitch and catch duo in the league. That’s what happens when you have a pair like that. You score. I’m not saying Dorsey isn’t worthy (although I might be in a few weeks). I just think our scoring has much more to do with Allen/Diggs than Dorsey’s concepts, scheme, play calling. Right…. But let’s not act like the current Josh allen is the same josh allen we saw under Daboll

His decision making was the predominant issue. Part of an OCs job to limit those QB mistakes. case and point- Daniel Jones turnover per game without Daboll: 1.77, 1.14, .91 With Daboll: .5

Nothing is 💯…… If I had an elite qb, I’d much rather have an offensive head coach. It allows him to stay in the same system with the same voice and football mind mentoring him. Josh Allen has gotten worse since the voice in his ear left. That’s clear to me right now. He can still turn it around, but Daboll leaving has hurt Josh to date. Learning and mastering one good offensive system >>>> having to learn multiple systems and possibly switching systems every couple years.

For sure. I mentioned him once before but felt as if I put the jinx on our boy and vowed to never do it again

Our best chance to win a Super Bowl will be with Diggs in our team as a team captain. Josh best not screw this up and become Kirk 2.0!! 🤣

Interesting. Thanks for putting this together. The stats pre and post hit are telling. Definitely looks like a possibility. Massive dude smashing you in the back of your head while you’re on the ground.

I agree that it’s fine…..as long as we don’t see a Josh similar to the Josh that we saw on mnf more than 1-2 more times this year. The speed of Poyer and Hyde currently worries me more than Bernard and the OL

Same. Jury posting it for the sake of the weekly thread

https://x.com/jeffzrebiec/status/1702021947574399313?s=20 Davante Adams not practicing today- foot

He wasn’t a liability for the most part. As it turns out, his inability to align the defense on Halls TD run made him a liability for that moment. Minus that play, we likely win that game despite 17 doing his best to give the game away overall, he was better than I had anticipated. Would be nice if he can build on this and continue to improve. The raiders are going to try and punch him in the mouth

I don’t know if he’ll ever change. This is how he plays football. We just have to protect him better, get him some counseling and sideline support. Stewing and sulking on the bench doesn’t seem to help him much

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