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I understand your point that he catches balls, produces and they wouldn't want to part ways with him. However their second leading WR after Williams has 89 yards. They have a need at WR and could be a trade partner.

Well then don't list him as a reason they wouldn't be interested in a different position. Therefore if they would trade a WR for Zay and a pick it wouldn't involve Waller.

Waller is a TE.

In Cam Newton? I mean..... good grief son.

Read that back to yourself slowly. The answer to who doesn't know what they're talking about lies within.

If you don't know then why would I waste my time?

With each of these ridiculous threads, I'm losing faith in the competency of our fan base. With all the losing we've experienced - one you'd think we'd be better equipped to handle this - two you'd think we'd be able to recognize the difference between this 3 and 1 team and the "same old" we've been through.

Yes Josh Allen in the 4th quarter down 6 points on 3rd and 8 should just slide and avoid getting hit. I mean c'mon, what is going on around here? It was a 100% appropriate time to take a risk. I've watched it back too - that's the exact play they want out of the NFL. Helmet to helmet and the shoulder to helmet hits.

Feels like it's happening more than usual.

Does anyone have a good meatloaf recipe?

Pretty ridiculous to even consider pulling Allen out of the starting job.

I certainly don't think our place kicker should be replaced but I can't live with him missing that kick. If he misses one and it doesn't have implications on the outcome then I can live with it. If we're down by 3 and can kick a FG to tie instead of going for it on 4th down with our back up QB, it's potentially a different outcome. Obviously the blocked punt resulting in a TD could also have made the difference. It has to stop as much as Allen throwing deep to unopen receivers.

I totally understand your point. Mine is, the special teams were atrocious in this game. They contributed to losing the game maybe even as much as Allen. If we're going to allow our young QB to grow and go through these very typical things - to win with our defense, our special teams has to stop playing so poorly.

So if Allen makes a play that causes a FG to be easier and the kicker misses it, did Allen basically make the FG?

Yes I do and acknowledge but making the FG harder and missing it is different right?

Zay Jones in no way resembles Robert Woods. Therefore if Zay finds a similar QB situation - he'll never be the WR Woods is.

I just don't think he's built to be afraid. I also don't see that theory playing out in game. He stays aggressive.

Agreed. I think the OL played fantastic.

So Allen did miss the field goal?

I didn't but we can't ignore that a missed FG caused us to need to go for a TD on 4th down with our back up QB. We have a young and inexperienced QB that when the defense plays that great , and can ill afford to have the special teams to play that badly.

In todays game - he was throwing the deep ball under duress - hence as you mention off his back foot. The deep ball needs to be thrown when you can properly deploy good mechanics. It's just part of the process of watching a young QB learn I suppose. There's so much to like about him and I think he gets there.

Allen didn't get his punt blocked, miss a FG and kick a 22 yard punt.

And a punter who kicks the ball 22 yards.

He's certainly better than our special teams. They stink.