OldTimer1960

That's kind of how I saw it as well. I think he has the *potential* to be a decent starter, but doesn't have the upside that some of the other QBs have. I don't see much lacking in him, but his level of competition makes it hard to judge.

Do you think that could partly be explained by his weak supporting cast?

Blokes, what don't you like about Mason Rudolph? I know he is kind of a "blah" prospect with a relatively lower ceiling than several others, but he has size, was productive and (supposedly) impressed teams with his football knowledge when they interviewed him. I know he doesn't have the strongest of arms, but it appears adequate from what I've seen.

What have you seen in his game that you don't like? I've watched all the cut-ups on him that I can find and watched him at the combine. He is from a lower-level of competition and he is a bit slow, but I don't see a problem with his arm strength or accuracy. It is hard to judge anticipation in any of these guys.

I am not opposed to drafting 2 QBs this year, but if they trade all the way up to get Rosen, I don't think they would spend what little they have left this year on another QB. Now, if they sit tight at 21 and take, say, Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson (if he is available), then I think it would be a good move to take someone like Lauletta, Mike White or Luke Falk as early as one of their 2nds or maybe at the end of round 3. One hope is if 5 or 6 QBs go in round 1, there may not be much demand for the next tier in the draft and you may be able to get one of them later than you otherwise might in a year without so many decent to good prospects.

I think that having a decent OL will also help his accuracy. In the games I’ve seen, many of his throws were on the run due to defensive pressure

Do you NOT think a QB’s completion % is affected by the protection he receives from his OL?

I think Jackson deserves the same pass. I think that Allen’s situation is on the extreme end of the spectrum with his supporting cast far below average, but I don’t discount Louisville’s supporting group either. From what I can tell, Allen was running for his life behind an overmatched OL and had struggling WRs as well. I can’t conclude for sure that Allen will be a top pro, but I also can’t hang his comp% solely on him.

I am frustrated by that as well. I am no scout, but I would be happy with Mason Rudolph at 21.

Knowing that you need a QB and having the picks to get one are different stories. i applaud their trade down last year that netted KC’s 1st pick. However, it would take the Bills’ and KC’s 1sts to get within striking range AND at least another high pick to get top 4.

I think you are over-estimating the value of the Bills’ draft picks.

And you know this how? Do you believe that completion percentage is affected by supporting cast? His OL was under-manned and his receivers were not very good. i don’t know if he will be a good pro, but for sure he was handicapped by his supporters cast. Can we maybe agree that he has a BIG arm and was handicapped by his supporting cast? I don’t know if he can succeed at the NFL level, but I do believe his team made him look worse than he is. Completion percentage is also linked to his OL. If his OL provided little protection AND. His receivers couldn’t get open, it would be hard to blame him.

A 1st this year straight up should be worth a 1st and 2nd next year, IF you can find a buyer. Picks in the next year are typically discounted by a round.

That may be true. My point isn’t to say that trading up isn’t possible, just that the Bills are not extravagantly rich in draft picks compared to Denver and the Jets. i personally would be surprised if any team would give more than a 3rd for Glenn coming off a season lost to injury and I’d be shocked to get better than a 4th for TT.

This is a common misconception. If you look at a draft value chart (below is a version updated last year), through the first 3 rounds the Jets have more draft value (793) than the Bills (757) - even though the Bills have one more pick. Denver (723) has very close to the same value as the Bills. https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart Again, Jets’ picks through the first 3 rounds are higher in value than the Bills’ and the Denver’s’ are very close.

Cleveland is going to get better very quickly - they have 6 of the first 65 picks in this draft. Imagine if they nab Barkley, Mayfield, and then a top WR and TE with picks 33 and 35. Mayock brought up a good question regarding Vander Esch - how could he have been only a one year starter? Not a disqualifier, but something to be sure you understand before drafting him early.

I don’t think he will be picked ahead of Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield, but I do think he will be picked in round 1. He has so much physical talent, including arm strength, Some team will think that they can make him great. i honestly don’t know how he will do in the NFL - depends on how much he can improve his passing and how much the team that drafts him designs their offense around him. His running ability can threaten a defense to the point that it helps receivers get open for easier passes.

Right on

Congratulations - you won douche post of the year with this one.

Yeah, every Mayfield game cut-up that I've watched has Andrews making several plays.

Yes, will take a lot to outbid them.

Who is Mike Tanier?

I do.

By the nature of the deal ( including high picks next year) you are taking the hit for two years. Reasonable chance that after that the prize QB is shell-shocked or run out of town because he didn’t single-handedly carry the team. Now, it *could* work out the way that you’ve described, but young QBs getting crushed is no generally a recipe for success.

Problem is, how do you build around him if you give up a ton of high picks just to get him? You can add in FA, but that isn’t enough to build a strong roster. Again, if you can draft Brady or Rodgers, you might be all set.