OldTimer1960

I think top 10 is a distinct possibility for the Bills' pick next year. There are a lot of glaring holes on this team. If they trade several high picks to move up this year (like 12, & 22 and next year's first) to get a QB, then you have either McCarron or a rookie QB starting with little or no experience AND you still have a lot of holes, a few filled with 53, 56, 65 this year, but those are still rookies. I think 6 wins +/-1 is about right for what to expect this season. Given what the Jets gave up to go from 6 to 3, I think your offer looks low.

And that would be a pretty good outcome for a player picked where Lawson was. I think if he gets healthy and in top shape for him, he could be get 7 sacks and be a very good run defender - and that would be fine if he can do that for multiple years.

Too impractical to list all of the good NFL coaches who have been fired. How about Marv Levy as an example? Wade Phillips is a MASTER DC and he has been let go as well. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that Fairchild achieved on their levels, but his opinion should carry some weight as a guy who had multiple gigs in the NFL and college.

I’m with you on this. Many here would have run Bruce Smith out of town after his rookie season (6.5 sacks as the #1 overall pick)

You understand that even the mighty Bill Belichick is “former Browns’ head coach”... What “metrics”? I am am not a fan of drafting Allen, especially if it involves trading up. BUT, in >30 years of following the draft, I’ve learned to check myself and realize that sometimes the pros know more than the draft pundits, media and fans. That doesn’t mean that they are always right and the pundits wrong, but by my recollection a lot of times the pundits/media have criticized an NFL executive for a move it hasn’t panned out the way that the media thought it would.

Problem is you can’t really try again soon if you trade a boatload to move to 2.

I’m also in the “it depends” camp. I can’t fathom giving away 12, 22 and a 1st next year for any of these QB prospects. Heck, there are only a few established NFL QBs I would trade that much for - Rodgers and, well I don’t know who else. I would of trade that much for Brady or Brees due to their age.

My view as well.

Agreed

Not on my deathbed , at least as far as I know!

Well done. Personally, I wouldn’t give up more than a 2nd for Foles and I would not even want to do that. Doesn’t mean i’m right, just my opinion.

No argument there. My point is to accept that it is an inexact endeavor and realize that there are good reasons that a team might pick someone who a poster might not agree with.

Is it maybe possible that they did not think that Taylor could get them where they want to go and, therefore said “let’s take what we can get for Taylor and take our chances finding someone better”? Sorry, I obviously can’t hang with your intellect.

I’m not arguing to take Rudolph at 12, but if they value him, they should not wait to 53.

You are one BAD mo fo! You runnin the mean streets of Amherst?

That may be true, but the team’s job is to maximize the value of the picks they have for the purpose of fielding the best team that they can. It isn’t beyond debate that selecting Rudolph at 12 and still having 22, 53, 56, 65, 96 and all of next year’s picks won’t be a better option than trading, say 12, 22, 53 and a top 10 pick next year for one of the higher rated QB prospects.

Unfortunately, Bradford was draftseveral years ago.

Some thoughts about the draft and our opinions of it. For 35+ years I have consumed as much draft information as I can find/absorb. This post is intended to ameliorate a bit the absolute black and white if you don’t agree with me you’re a moron posts. It it is great that folks have passion about the team’s fortunes and strong opinions about prospects and what the Bills should do. However, any of us who thinks that if our team doesn’t do what is “clearly obvious “ to us, then they are incompetent - we are fools. Sure, maybe our opinion turns out to be right, however that doesn’t mean that the opinion was formed with the most complete information available. Across a wide swath of posters, someone’s opinion formed on incomplete information is bound to be right sometimes- doesn’t make those who disagreed morons. I enjoy reading the comments of those who really do put significant time into watching game videos of the prospects. Still, “the tape that doesn’t lie” may be a big part of evaluations, but there are other significant factors that we don’t have good access to: - we can’t interview the players to understand their personality, get a feel for how they learn, how dedicated they are - some here can generally speculate about how a prospect processes what he sees and how quick his decisions are, but we don’t have the benefit of talking to college coaches who actually know what the player was asked to do and how he did it - we don’t have access to the background checks that NFL evaluators have. A prospect might be able to fool in interviews, but teams can talk with teammates, coaches, support personnel from college and HS to get a better picture of how a guy works, treats teammates/others, reacts to adversity, etc. - we cannot really know how much room for improvement physically or mentally any of these prospects have. We can speculate about what they have/have not done, but if a prospect hasn’t been asked to do something in his college scheme, that doesn’t mean that they can’t do it, but I bet that their college coaches would have some good insights. - we don’t truly know how competition levels really highlight or downplay a prospect. - how does the talent that a prospect plays with affect his performance? For those who rail against a given prospect in round x because draft pundits say he is a round x+1 prospect, get some perspective. What is a “reach”? There is so much that goes into a”grade” for a prospect: - how do his skill match what you need him to do? - do his preparation and instincts overcome some physical limitations? - has he reached his physical peak or does he have room to add strength, improve skills - does he fit the culture/is he more professional in his approach than maybe more physically talented prospects? - what is the likelihood he will be unavailable due to off field problem? - what is his injury history and can he overcome that? Surely we can all see how complicated and uncertain these evaluations are. Try to keep in perspective that the pro evaluators have access to information that we don’t. That doesn’t mean that your opinion might not be right in the long run, but that your opinion is probably based on less than full information. Have fun with the speculation and enjoy the debate, but if the Bills pick players you don’t agree with, taken a balanced approach to your criticism. None of us know how these guys will pan out.

That is too rich for my blood for any of these QBs. I would consider trading up to 12 & 22 and maybe 53 for Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen. I would not trade up at all to get Allen. For me, any deal that requires 12, 22 and next year’s 1st would be out of bounds. My reasoning is that none of these guys carried their teams, except maybe Mayfield.

Unsubstantiated, but Carl Falk (Rochester radio) mentioned a text suggesting Pats are trying to move up for Rosen.

He also threw for >75% more yards as a Junior when he had a better supporting cast. He isn’t my favorite, but I can understand why a team might take him high.

I am not anti-Lamar Jackson, but I would prefer Rudolph over him. I see Jackson as very hit or miss while I think Rudolph is a pretty safe choice. I agree that Rudolph’s arm isn’t at the top of this group, but I think his arm is more than good enough and he appears to have the leadership, smarts, work ethic and size that can make him a long-term answer.

Or other teams not being willing to trade their pick for any price...

No, I don't think so. Let's say a realistic expectation for any of these QBs is a career equal to Phillip Rivers. Are you willing to trade 3 #1 picks plus more to get a QB of that level. Note that Rivers has not led his team to a lot of playoff games.

I think he knows less. These guys post/say nonsense just to be noticed. I think several of the TBD posters are much more informed than Cowherd.