OldTimer1960

For those that believe that the Bills’ 10 picks in 2019 constitute a bounty of draft capital, please note that their extra picks are in the 4th - 7th rounds. Have a look at this list of picks - not a high success rate in those late rounds: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0610&type=team

Not thinking a trade up from 9 is wise. There will be good options available at 9.

I am not interested in trading high draft picks on a young team for a 30 year old WR, no matter how good he’s been. Now, if the trade is for a 3rd round pick, (as I think Pittsburgh got for Antonio Brown) then maybe OK. I am looking for long term contributors on small contracts, not a fading star who will be here for 2 years at a high salary.

I’m not opposed to Oliver, but I don’t think he is a dominant run defender.

Not from this class. Not saying there aren’t good WR prospects, but nobody that is tempting in the top 15-20

I like this one very much. Pretty realistic as well. This one is good as well, would be happy with this

Would love to see them add another big tough guy like Dalton Risner or Kaleb McGary to the group.

Allen, Sweat and Taylor unlikely to be left. Oliver - maybe available and would for sure be the pick among that list, though I’m not completely sold on him.

Not many candidates for pick 9 on that list. Taylor, Gary, Oliver and Sweat are the only legitimate candidates to be picked that high and likely none of them will be available at the 9th pick. Any other player on that list would be considered a major reach at that spot.

I’m trying to warm up to him, but he just looks small and dumpy and rather unathletic for a high draft pick. He is much lighter than ideal, arms shorter than ideal, a shade shorter than ideal and did not wow anyone with his measureables at the combine. For sure he played well in college, but will that translate to the NFL against bigger, stronger, faster opponents?

I am all for a “safe” pick at 9, but in spite of his collegiate success, I’m not sure that Jonah Williams is a safe pick. By safe pick, I mean likely to be a good starter - maybe not great.

No harm meant. I like your posts

I think it is not a lot of tread off the tires. Not a lot of tread on the tires implies that the tires are worn out.

I predict that he will still be there at 20

Jonah Williams, DK Metcalf and Ed Oliver go later than many expect.

FWIW, I completely agree with this whole point. IF they felt with strong conviction that Williams' would very likely be a multi-time Pro Bowl G, then I don't think that many would complain about selecting him at 9. However, G is not a premium position (not to say it isn't important), and is not as hard to fill as other positions. From my vantage point, I don't think that Williams is a guaranteed pro bowler at G. I see a guy who excelled against the best college competition, but is undersized and under powered for OT and likely G as well. Can his skill set overcome those limitations? Can he get stronger/more powerful? I just wonder if he has maxed out his potential. He's refined his techniques and has the right attitude (reportedly). I do think that he will likely be a good starting OL in the NFL - more likely at G, but possibly also at T. I don't think the team that drafts him will view him as a weak link that they are trying to replace, but I don't think either that he is going to step into the NFL and be a dominating player. I would be happy to have Jonah Williams on the Bills, but I think that there will be better options than him available at pick 9.

I believe that OL is important, but I believe that that both OT positions are harder to fill and require better players than G. I also don't think the comparison of Jonah Williams to Zach Martin is a good one. Martin is much stronger and more powerful than Williams. I know that you can't necessarily judge a football player by how their body looks, but at the Combine Williams' body didn't look like a top athlete and he didn't really measure or test as one, either.

I agree that Dawkins could play well at T - as Jonah Williams might also, but many thought that Dawkins would be better suited inside and many think the same about Williams. That doesn't necessarily mean that they can't play T, but with the 9th pick I would hope that they can find a player who better fits the desired height, weight, strength, quickness than Williams does for OT.

I’d have to trust that they know what they are doing. Sure, he is a good prospect, but it doesn’t seem like he is a great prospect. The line would project as a good C, an old career backup T and 3 guys who should be G. I should say that in general I am OK with taking a good solid prospect at 9 - doesn’t have to be a swing for the fences guy to make me happy, but I think there have to be equivalent or better prospects available at more important positions than G. I get that he might be capable of playing T, but do you really need two guys (Dawkins and Williams) that likely should be Gs playing OT?

But he was down to 281 at his pro day. I imagine that he dropped weight to run as fast a 40 as he could, but I have to wonder would he be able to maintain 287 in the league or would he end up playing close to 280? I know now that there have been a few players that succeeded at DT at light weights - guys like Donald and John Randle come to mind, but they are still the exception rather than the rule.

Perhaps instead of skewering her, this might be what to expect from "analytics". Statistics are based on solid samples,. I'm not sure that sports analytics are based on that. For example: height/weight/speed and of prospects is a (often reviled) form of analytics. That being, this ht, wt, speed, arm length, bench press number etc, GENERALLY predicts success in the NFL. Of course there are exceptions to any general statistic. Yet when Mike Schoop touts statistics about 4th down conversion rates, he fails to acknowledge differences in team's offense/defense capabilities and, more importantly, ignores that the statistics are biased as only the teams (and scenarios) that coaches feel like they could have success are represented in the success rat s that they cite.

Even if he becomes primarily a red-zone threat and never becomes a starter, if he can provide a good option near the end-zone for lobs it could be worth it.

Might be interesting If they see him as an outside LB who they'll use often as a pass rusher.

daBillsFan - :*Tokin' on a number and diggin' on the radio* - I remember the line from a song, but can't remember what song it was. What is that line from?

I understand your point that just because Maybin was a bust, doesn't mean every undersized pass rusher will be. Burns had much more consistent production than Maybin did. Still, Burns has put on 20lbs since the season ended by working out constantly. He is now only a little undersized for DE in the NFL, but I would worry that since he is not naturally that big and had to work so hard to gain weight, would he be able to maintain it during the season when he won't be able to maintain that kind of workout schedule with games, recovery days, minor injuries etc.?