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Mayfield did have his own character question marks. while your take on each guy may be accurate, it feels like you are letting your opinions color your arguments too strongly

After last year I would expect the same comment whether the expectation was starting day 1 or a straight red shirt. He wouldn’t event name Tyrod starter over peterman

Elway was a common one for luck and I’ve seen it a few times for allen (obviously best case, but again just looking at qualities and not results)

This did not age well

Thats what I’m getting at. If allen was at every major camp since he was 12 and had harbaugh odds are he’d be a little more polished. Likewise if we step back from their reputations of being perfectly polished vs major project...again, luck in a great college system was 70% but nfl he’s 59%.... Allen’s probably smarter than given credit for... did maybe results and reputation widen the reputation gap? I’m talking looking at the paint not the painting. Figured I’d throw it out as a closer than Cam example

Yea- I was trying to give a curveball that relied on traits and stepped away from pedigree. Wentz is the obvious choice but I think folks forget that luck is athletic and sub 60%. Identical wonderlic scores too. If you dropped allen at Stanford under harbaugh would we talk about them more similarly?

Itll sound crazy at first but.... Andrew luck? Prototype build, high IQ, sub-60% career completion percentage, big arm, mobile but not a big time runner... obviously very different pedigrees, but... would that be a better current comp for Allen’s upside (ignoring the shoulder injury)

They are common in being unpolished shut huge talents... beyond that, spotty. Not terrible but spotty as a comparable

Of course it’s possible to fix- but history shows he’s likely about a coin flip and those would be high on the list of things that might land him on the wrong side. Itll be an an exciting season. Fingers crossed for good outcomes.

Why don’t you hold your own assertion to that standard?

You said there was no reason. I was just giving the possible reason. Not saying it’s a slam dunk towork out. You guarantee a bit extra, give a little less per year, he gets some coin in his pocket up front.... its a risk but that’s how you get a discount if you want one.

That there’s some risk would ideally save money. That’s the reason.

So what your saying is you made up your mind and it’s not much worth discussing

I’m not sure how sneaky it was with the bulk of free agency and lot of picks spent. last years 1st, a trade up in this year’s 1st, this year’s big cornerstone signing and last year’s biggest (though I suppose Hyde might be sneaky?) Outside fans focusing on qb it’s been noticeable

What metric would you accept?

I cant wait to see the definitive posts declaring allen an all pro or bust based on a 7 second clip of him throwing in shorts... “will you look at that foot work?!?”

Unless a guy gets cut or we trade, I think it is what it is.... free agency is a wasteland at WR

Ultimately this draft will be framed by what you think of allen... if pegged as a flop it’s easy to say the bills turned 6 day 1&2 picks plus a solid LT into an ILB and DT. Even if they are good it’s a big fail.... if allen steps up its an A+ hes a big wild card. Can’t get to high or low on every draft grade today.

Lots of guys from bama don’t win at this level

So when you said if he’s the best player he will play you actually meant when it’s best for him to play he will.

Feeling high on McCarron or low on allen? Id suspect the gaps relatively small and ties go to the rookie generally. This will be a tough battle for McCarron - who hasn’t done toooo much in his opportunities

Thats what I was curious to see.... if you tighten in from first round to top 10 locker is a huge exception.

Well, lucky for my point, both were weird about it last year so any comments from either this year are kind of taken with grain of salt until you see guys on the field

Know how I know you’ve been day drinking?

I was just pushing back on the can’t get better without starting sentiment. Im probably one of the folks most openly saying I think he plays a noteworthy amount this year