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Generally, I’m sure the goal is to roll with him uninterrupted. And even if he doesnt start day 1, I’ll maintain the others really aren’t any real competition. No one in our front office is seriously considering mccarron or peterman being “the guy.” McCarron is like your spare change jar, and peterman a lottery ticket- they are real but you don’t really expect them to truly change you financial planning.

Come on John.... you used a mediocre example to try to make your point and knock other posters. even if we throw away the reports and go with the idea that beane wasn’t interested.... what is it that you are thinking he knew that other guys paid to run teams didn’t know? Occams shaver is that we were interested in taking the risk but we’re more interested in risking Benjamin’s knees at a slight premium than Bryant’s decision making. Raiders likewise were interested in the risk and simply were on the unlucky end of it so far (though it didn’t cost them terribly much)... and last year didn’t pan out all that great for KB either. It’s what teams do- take some risks that you can’t guarantee the outcome of.

The irony of your post of course being that allegedly the guys running the team were also interested.

Its below average WR1 money, and I’d guess he’s among a very small number that are definitive #1 WRs for their team getting paid less than the top TE and RB on their team. hes a value player, generally speaking, even though I’m not a huge fan of his. He should produce, but I don’t think he’s a true game changer. If spending big free agent WR dollars, I’m not sure the big slow guy with bum knees and occasional weight issues is where I’m backing up the brinks truck.

Its been a lot to process since clicking the thread.

What qualifies as not being viable?

I’m guessing it’s more than a “smarts” issue

Who really thinks this is a 3 man competition? It might be a stretch to call it a 2 man. Realistically it’s allen against himself.

Your bench mark is what, about 5-5.5% of the cap? 10 years ago there was the dockery contract at I mentioned at 6.5%, Hutchinson signed the same average two years early so a much higher percentage, faneca signed for 8m per year one year later, Jahri Evans the next year... you have to go back over a decade, at least, for guards to fit that bill and it gets hard to pull numbers vs cap to check the going rate. most of the time in these talks the meteoric rise in the cap explains the bulk of the perception

You mean like when we gave dockery 7m as a thought to be very good but not ELITE guy? Thing is cap that year was 109m (leaving 7 at 6.5%).... this comes in shy of 8% still at 14m per year, and keeps the best in the league...Not that crazy. Just crazy how the cap exploded

As a day 3 pick your opportunities are few and you need to make the most of them to get more. With only so many shots to go around this year he has not shown enough in college or the pros to warrant much more. If he lights it up maybe he earns some practice reps this year....

It was negligent. Absolutely embarrassing (and sad) to see happen.

But as a guy that I believe will be limited in learning his 500 plays, I would personally rather he learn 20 extra pass plays. also, to run 10 gimmicks he needs to know several non-gimmicks off the formation. Put him at wr and suddenly in order to throw a few option passes and an end around or two he needs at least a basic route tree to be a threat. Practice catching, etc... If he’s third string so be it, but if he’s one snap away from needing to run the offense week one then I want him learning his position- which I anticipate being a challenge without the distract

Or the mind to learn a full qb package PLUS 2-3 other positions in gimmick roles

I suspect we would have had a better playoff shot, but as with any hypothetical it comes down to what would’ve happened at QB. If given rexs year 1 roster, I think he could’ve potentially made it though.

Saw an article today about how hard his schedule had been and that he was spending more time alone when he could

If we were trying to add to this roster we’d have pushed more cap hits down the kind already. I think the plan is stay as is, unless something really surprises beane

Mental health can be a real tough one. Having fun and being satisfied can be two very different things and sometimes you see it get harder the better your life is. Imagine you are living your absolute dream and you are still struggling with those thoughts, for instance. As an an outsider I can’t say much about what he was dealing with as an individual but will say life’s often harder than it looks.

Maybe? Or do we romanticize those old teams as tough hard nosed guys when they might’ve been a little dirtier than we like to admit?

He at times openly discussed having those demons hes is a recovering addict that drank like a fish I’m surprised of the timing - but not shocked at all that he might end up here. Anyone that’s familiar with mental health and actually paid attention to him and not just watched with jealousy of his job likely picked up on him wrestling with stuff. He did a pretty good job of addressing those demons it seems but when that’s a daily choice to be alive- all it takes is one day of making the wrong choice and you end up here. Most of us rarely think twice of that choice, but some have to really make it conciously thousands of times without getting it wrong one time. I’m surprised on set, with his best friend is where he slipped... though he openly admitted that despite the life looking charmed, it was also very hard.

Will that perhaps be more about funding security than discouraging bus trips?

Its june. There are very few circumstances where “present” and “out for over 3 months” coincide

Right, but for a team that spends TO THE CAP... that pulled money out of the year signed. The saints often tag extra years on short contracts to do that. The term “voidable” put aside, it’s a stupid salary they have no intention of ever paying and gets the player back into free agency when they want to get there (or paid handsomely) while allowing the team to shift a few bucks down the line. Putting a 9m salary may as well be putting a 30m for a guy like Klein. He’s not playing that season in a saints uniform under this contract. Why have the year then? Create the flow you want in the cap.

Is 20 essentially a voidable year that both parties are not expecting to happen but helps spread a signing bonus a little?

The dude is going to be turning 41 in camp. It’s clearly starting to set. Is this his last year? Does he have 2? Maaaaaaybe 3? A lot of posters started the countdown at like 32 years old for some reason which makes it feel like he’s beat the predictions forever... but at 41 it’s certainly a different story Statistically it was among his best seasons of the past 5-10 years. What would he have done with more energy in his game?