NoSaint

If only we had such a clean slate last year to get a coach and offensive talent and a decent qb he could have sat behind if our pick was high enough to take him

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Even if he does, he’s nearly fulfilled day 3 pick and vet minimum contract as far as value

Its all Whaley’s fault. Dead money and all.

I enjoyed the guy that tagged you and Kirby in the gameday thread as if to rub his td in your face

Im a bad qb but not a bad person

But she was the only to report it... which might lend credence to it being a run of the mill interaction and not noteworthy

So since we can’t effect moves, what can we discuss here? What to cook for dinner?

Im legitimately on the fence. We knew this had potential to be a historically bad unit. So it’s a matter of is he making them as good or better than the talent level.... I don’t know. There’s so little talent in the passing game. I wish they would’ve built the offense first knowing a young qb was in the early plans.

To be fair, we should’ve signed someone a month ago. Or kept McCarron.

They all have the ability to make a couple completions. Guessing what a guy will do on his first 5 throws coming in for an injury is definitely pretty unpredictable. Because it reflects very minimally on who he truly is as a qb

Sitting doesn’t fix a lot of it.... we will see if he can learn with reps but I worry we don’t have the coaches/mentors for this type of project (which is a serious challenge)

He regularly showed up way out of shape. He’s always had big character concerns. You don’t think a wr showing up at 270 lbs is every bit the type of lack of care issue we’ve seen this year?

They could’ve worked out a ton together this week and needed a minute here for any variety of reasons. Now, I too suspect he’s being moody and a bad teammate but to say there is no other explanation is a bit much.

Ill hold for context but could be ugly here

What would you bet on though. Confident in 2019?

How long do you think he maintains elite skills?

But that’s true of everyone and it’s actually happening to him less often than most with a huuuuge sample size. Sometimes you have to just embrace that the quirk isn’t a weakness in all cases

I don’t think it needs to be either/or but should be geared at shedding older or expiring guys and acquisitions that can be here longer term. Ginn, for instance, I think is silly as a target regardless of record as we aren’t real contenders. But a young guy can be a target regardless of record too (say Cooper)

Different first name too

Oh lord baby jesus John, so help us all if we have to see posts this time next year from you that the group isn’t theirs yet because they are too young and couldn’t add a free agent. ??

What are your expectations for how it should be addressed next offseason? Im under the strong assumption that benjamin walks and I think it’s more likely than not that clay is gone. As a group of pass catchers do you think that we need to then add 3 starting quality players either in free agency or the top 45-ish picks in the draft? If they add only 1 top prospect or premier free agent is it not their group still because they chose to focus elsewhere?

So you would argue not that they missed on their moves but that they have prioritized the position low enough thus far to have not made actual moves? but either way, wouldn’t either reflect on their own approach to the position?

They had two offseasons, traded up in the draft for one starter (who the staff had experience with) and traded for another starter. The depth includes a guy out OC coached in college... outside Holmes it’s their dudes. Zay was a 2 and 3, benjamin a 3. Coleman and kerley are their decisions. no roster is ever a finished product even for a long term staff but at some point you have made the decisions to either get guys or let guys go that mean you have to own the results. How far do they have to go for you to put the group on them?

We had a multi page debate culminating with you answering the question “do you think he ever catches another pass” with nope