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Ultimately, I think it comes down to the question of was he able to humble himself enough to be the low man on the coaching totem pole instead of the top dog of the players. The interview certainly didnt didn’t prove he undermined the coaches, but it sure did make me wonder if he might’ve at times. It’s a tough spot, but for all his knowledge if he didn’t know how to effectively manage his new position he might not have been a good choice. You have to think Rex brought him in to be a fierce advocate of the coaches that players would respect. Are you confident he filled that position? After reading this, I’m not sure.

The psychology of it all really is fascinating at times. A solid third to half of the fanbase lives with “hope rewarded” amounting to 2 wild card games - the music city debacle and a 10-3 mess. And the remainder know success as being the butt of jokes for being the team that couldn’t win the big game. Our pinnacle has a major element of rationalizing losses for greatness (which yea it was a great team). When you step back from being a bills fan and just look at the idea of being a fan of a franchise with this history...it’s really something.

Quite a few layers to unpack in there. Comp picks aren’t about making bad teams good as much as creating consistency. It encourages teams to let players play out contracts instead of cutting them. It helps prevent great teams from bottoming out when they get pillaged. It does help prop up less desirable markets too. And with mixed results, having the cutoff date keeps vets on the fringe in the league (though maybe makes them wait longer than liked to be signed) I think that us watching the pats work the system while we have not done well just makes it feel less fair. We are all better for having your deep thoughts and participation in our conversation, Ferg. Keep it up.

I don’t dig the straight to moulds jumps to excuse every underperforming WR but i do think it’s important that his salary is $1m and we save peanuts cutting him. As we have seen even in this thread- $1m for a WR3-4 is still a relative bargain. Unless he’s legit beat out by both a udfa AND a guy in a futures contract from the CFL, there’s not any motivating factor to move him unless he’s some sort of trouble behind the scenes we don’t know about. Him only being a 4 would be a scouting disappointment but the beauty of picking a WR there is that even a disappointment is a great value in the cap as long as not a complete disaster

Theres long been an element in the back of my head that part of the enthusiasm for our current regime is the polar opposite nature and how we all tend to overvalue what the last guy was bad at. When your qb is Trent Edwards you are a little quicker to get amped up for a gunslinging Fitz, and excuse obvious issues. Short receivers? Go get James hardy, ignoring all red flags. We’ve seen a lot of “go get what the last guy did bad” confused with “go get someone good” When you have a lazy coach that is at odds with their GM do we get too easily on board for streamlined branding of a “process” and ignore the struggles assembling an offense, the slow nature of the build and what were largely self inflicted cap issues last year? By “we” I include myself and importantly the fan signing the paychecks in Pegula. It’ll be an interesting dynamic to keep an eye on. Especially if Allen looks good but we remain uneven with the offensive talent. Hopefully they’ve nailed it and are both unlike Rex AND good.

Not unfair. The Ryan here really bothered me but I tried to get on board with him being a defensive genius and us having a wealth of available pieces. Seems he was far short of the commitment that’s required to maintain being a creative/innovative guy in that job/this league.

On a surface level we see an assistant position coach in his first year coaching not respecting the guys that brought him in and a pair of highly emotional players siding with him and one of them noting their many meetings on the side. In 2016 being a mess of disorganization and distrust- do you think a young HOF player turned coach may have at times undermined those above him thinking he deserved to be more of a chief and less of an Indian? Im in no way absolving Rex or Rob but maybe the revelation here is a new layer of dysfunction not just confirmation of what we knew previously.

The easy response is pile on Rex and rob. And they deserve it. but I wonder if Ed reed was a little bit of a problem too.

Which would be fine stats for shady on a cheap deal as a backup. And Watson would be a cheap deal. All about context. hes reliable, good hands, but certainly not at his peak currently

I’ll agree he’s far past his prime. Still a productive guy though. Hard worker, locker room leader and gets the job done. Bound to hit a wall sooner than later but would have no problem with him as the 3rd.it gets tossed around a lot but he’s actually the type that’s great to have around a couple young guys if we have 2 rookies on the roster/PS

Agreed he’s the starter but suspect that CB/JB/Zay/foster see relatively even snap counts unless someone really plays outside of expectation (positive or negative). Thats essentially guaranteeing a spot this year. It’s without question.

3 of his last 4 with Flacco weren’t much to write home about either. Itll be be interesting to see. Beane brought in two guys that need to both be at or above their career best and he doesn’t have a great track record at receiver. On the bright side it should be a functional group, even if a little underwhelming

Two things- I suppose a question and a point 1) are the savings noted the specific June 1 distinction savings? 2) now that you can designate a guy a June 1, the actual day is no longer particularly important

You obviously have 4 arms in camp and it’s good to have a kid on the squad and a vet at home on speed dial... but it’s not super urgent

Did anyone have Derek Anderson in the poll?

That’s presumptuous

Do we actually know that fisher is an effective perimeter player, or can block well at his new weight? Seems they want to add a solid one between Sweeney, this visit and fisher. Whether they think they have one is up for debate.

By fine enough I mean with Kromer as coach and a good RG and smart qb fans wouldn’t have any noteworthy complaints but likewise aren’t buying mills jerseys. He wouldn’t be a topic of conversation good or bad, but might get the occasional mention as a spot to upgrade in the draft.

You put mills with a good coach, RG and an and he will look fine enough. Not good but serviceable. You pair him with a terrible coach, RG and erratic Qb play and he quickly looks terrible. He’s run of the mill filler quality play that will swing from non-eventful to bad depending on his situation.

Always good when “the media” includes everyone’s opinion at any given moment during a fluid situation like a negotiation

I don’t know Roberts skill set well enough I guess. Any insight into why he’d be good I’m space on returns but not screens/reverses?

Ultimately he’s competing with a tackle moving to TE. Having a low risk FA and 7th round pick battle for a goal line package role is fine by me. Neither are going to be game changers but likely at least one will be able to do a small job decently for very cheap.

I think you see him get something like 5 years 140-something. About 60 guaranteed and a good bit of that signing bonus. Can escape without future guaranteed dollars after 2 years, dead money much better after 3 and the final 2 end up ok value by the time you get to them and another round of guys has signed new deals

And yet, you’ll see a thread full of people celebrating his vision

I’ll refer back to my comment last week that beane seems to be excellent at telling bills fans what they like to hear. Regardless what I think of his work as GM (mixed) he is a pro at branding this rebuild and this helps feed a lot of fans dislike if the media and us against them feeling. I think he is quite alright playing the guy that “gets it” for the fan base. I don’t think he’s miffed as much as he plays off it to his own advantage.