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To be able to run a scout team mimicking various opponents for us is probably bigger than ability to win a game himself

He very much could’ve given the relevant info and linked for more instead of a multi paragraph teaser. In fact he likely included enough to violate terms, while still not sharing the info. Worst of both worlds.

To be fair to fitz - he was like 19th highest paid and 18th in rating(?? Plus or minus a spot or two on each??)

Lee Smith has 4.5 mil guaranteed. So I hope not. i think it’s simply the fight for 6 and those two have the best tracks. Then throw one on the practice squad. Though I’m not sure any are that helpful there or hard to replace. i think my squad likely carries depth at safety, lb, corner, dL, TE, OL and rarely WR

Bingo. you see it with the eagles/chiefs/rams/bears now. And in our own qb class the browns and jets (mixed opinions on some of the players but loading up for a run and seeing the browns talked about as being in the window) those teams will likely age into either the 9ers (missed at qb) or Seahawks (hit at qb) as examples of what the next era looks like. regardless you load up now and make that run and then age into the next phase accordingly.

Point is if you have that QB you take advantage of the 4 year window and then transition to a different team building model after. Nows the phase where where you get some extra vet talent on contracts that’ll be on there way out as you pay Allen/Edmonds, if they are the guy. i don’t get why so many posters think that a team with a 40 year old HOF qb and a rookie contract qbs will model their finances of the other 52 positions the same way.

As a vet if he made the week 1 roster it’s guaranteed anyway.

I’m not sure either but if we aren’t on the verge of this now, it makes me less confident that we have the right guys... if that makes sense. It shouldn’t be year 4 of the regime and 3 of the qb that playoff contender becomes a thing as then you only get a 1 year shot at the cheap qb super bowl run.

If you believe we have the coach and qb, I’m not sure even a 1 is off the table for most high end guys. Few points: 1) that pick is hopefully late in the round 2) the guy we get at, say, 20 is likely not an immediate game breaker at DE. If we wait til next year to get a guy ready the year after... 3) we have the cap space to buy immediate impact 4) it’s going to cost. Mack is a better player but look at that package. Or amari Cooper. A young impact player that’s proven nfl worthy can be a good deal even with a one

I think that’s why you see many of us in the Clowney thread saying now is the time to push in the chips and edge rush is a need. I’m not in love with clowney but he’s the closest to available option so he gets some noise around him. if a top 15-20 edge rusher or pass catcher comes loose, I’d have very few pieces held off the table to secure them. He counts in that.

I think you’d be hard pressed to come up with a worse situation than what we created for Allen last year. id also say a WR group of Sammy, woods, Goodwin, and still taking swings at guys like harvin, and mike Williams wasn’t exactly throwing their hands up. Their was a stretch where we had invested multiple 1s, a 2, a 3 and some low round picks in addition to free agent targets (or guys like clay). Your ex can do no right and the new girl does no wrong when you are in the honeymoon phase. Who knows, this could be the one... but definitely some fans caught up in the lust for getting some new.

I was neither truly comparing the two or using real numbers. I think you got caught in the trees and missed the forest with my last post they can all make tough throws sometimes. Doing just a tiny bit better can be the difference between a bust and hof

The big thing is most of these guys can make the individual throws if they go early. EJ could certainly capable of winging a 20 yarder accurately at least on occasion the problem is can Allen make that throw 70-80% of the time throwing into a tighter window with more pressure or does he slide down to 50-60% because under pressure because his mechanics or decision making are effected. Tbd over the course of a season. But I like seeing them being worked on here with some success!

If we trade for a solid WR my take could quickly change. On just about any position the same carries true.

Yes. Would you really rather have ray ray getting 50+ snaps a game as an outside receiver? Or Roberts? If beasley is in the slot, who are your two outside receivers if brown misses games?

Without zay you have very few guys that can “do it all” if brown misses time. I don’t love zay but he’s cheap and the prospect of: beasley, Roberts and foster as our top 3 would have me a little worried about who the every down outside WR that runs the whole tree reliably is.

Also an expiring contract and will get paid elsewhere so you’ll potentially see a good comp pick if we focus on adding stars and not a volume of guys next year.

Yup. It’s more fun to be optimistic because they look sharp than defend looking sloppy... but it largely matters all the same. There will be a handful of things to watch for- whether fosters hands are glue, whether Allen is money on timing throws (and if that is everything from pre snap read through footwork to timing and placement)... but whether brown gets separation on a guy isn’t super meaningful unless you are analyzing his footwork, body language, cut, etc...as you don’t know who is playing 80% and who is playing 90% and having space against a guy you are out hustling isn’t particularly meaningful. Similar with holding a random block in an unschemed rush. Or better yet sometimes schemed to have a guy try out techniques he doesn’t excel at in the first place as results don’t matter. peterman often looked good in meaningless reps for that reason. In the 4th quarter of a close meaningful game it’s a whole different beast though. that all said enjoy and keep glasses half full. The team has some potential upside, and might achieve it.

Drug stuff is relatively structured. If they perma banned him nflpa would get involved. ill stand by, it was a no harm move for the pats. Anything he plays is darn near house money given the low compensation and minimal roster cost

A 4th is hardly a big deal for a player being paid peanuts. qb is a big deal. Not getting along with coaches is bad but also why a gm should be picking a guy. That he kept getting coaches he didn’t pick and flip flopping schemes is going to be tough on any gm. he missed on qb. Our organizational structure was junk. He assembled a good bit of talent despite that.

I think he’d be in the discussion like Stevie was. The offense can be functional with him doing his role but he’s not a guy that keeps a DC up Saturday night like about 15 others might. its not that he’s a bad receiver, just that he’s below average in that slot, so you want to make sure you at least stack an extra deep group to ensure mismatches. If Beasley is great and Allen gets in a rhythm with him and zay reaches his potential and foster takes the top off it’s a good 4 but I’m guessing it just ends up fine. Not a strength not a weakness. In a passing league it’s nice to have it be a strength though.

Hes in a dome, in the nfc south, plays a relatively safe style... I think if he wants to play, he could likely be a 39-40 year old type barring major injury. He’s not having to get zip on a ball in Chicago wind or getting up in 20 degree weather after a big hit. i don’t see him getting out younger than Ben, rivers, Eli, heck even drew at 39 had a major shoulder injury and is still rolling in a similar situation. I’ll leave Brady as an outlier

Hes among the least accurate around.

Matt Ryan will be in the league several years after Julio is done most likely. If someone offered value for Julio they’d jump on it.

If C is average, I’d say it’s fair to hit him as average to below average, without doing a deep dive for bust rates to compare. Dudes a solid player even if not spectacular but to take a guy with a known injury that wipes out a year of his 4 with you...well, he has to be good in the other 3 to make up for either the risk calculations or flubbed medical exam. I get that any guy guy could go tear an ACL the day after the draft but with a known injury there’s got to be an expectation of more upside with the added risk. He was on my shortlist with the assumption he wasn’t a medical risk- so it’s not that I had hard feelings or dislike his play today either.