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Yeah I see it more like this......... if he can't produce either of volume or efficiency when given 100+ targets.......this far into his career...... then he probably isn't going to do it here returning to being a role player. He's also an idiot. This unsportsmanlike penalty cost Ole Miss their rivalry game with Miss St. He KNEW it was going to draw a penalty. That's the kind of knuckleheaded loser he's been. Wasn't a surprise when he became a problem in NY when he failed to earn PT. Cleveland was far from set at WR and they made very little effort to retain a 25 year old with 4.35 speed for a reason. If he's on the roster on opening day I will root for him but this is a really sketchy add for a lot of reasons.

Expect or just hoping for? There is a long list of players like Samuel who had bad years last year that they are counting on a lot more from this year. Bosa, Ogunjobi, Epenesa, Daquan, Milano, Kincaid, Bishop, Coleman and now Moore. Hariston and Deone Walker are both coming off down years in college. Tre White and Dane Jackson were terrible last year as well but hopefully neither has to start. Hope seems to be the strategy.

It's all entertainment old man. If it makes you miserable that's a you problem. It's not that emotional for me. I'm here to talk straight about a product where the objective is to win the SB. You are here to displace your disappointment with the team onto fans.

Yes, definitely. And Cooper is washed. But he's a pro. He's not going beat you with mental errors. He is not going to finish 98 of 98 in lowest passer rating when targeted. If Moore is guaranteed the money that the tag seemed to guarantee him($3.75M?)........that is more than Mack Hollins was guaranteed($3.5M) on a 2 year deal in New England. Maybe Hollins wanted NOTHING to do with the Bills......but it makes more sense that they just misplayed their hand with him. They need more help on the boundary than in the slot. It's all shooting low........bringing back Cooper or Hollins.........but they managed to do worse than low. If you are a team that only stocks 5 WR on their 53......you should stock 5 GOOD ones.

First, let's acknowledge that you were also one of the more vocal, irrational "WR is quietly getting better" people. Second, EVERY ONE of you either admitted you were wrong or hid from the discourse when the very predictable happened and good teams squatted on the Bills short pass limited offense and totally shut it down. Third, Beane admitted he and his apologists were wrong by desperately trading a pick he greatly valued WEEKS before the trade deadline because it was THAT obvious that the offense was in trouble. There was no time to lose. They could not afford to be anything but a top offense and the reason why a top WR earns so much money is that their presence can entirely change how a defense has to attack them. Lastly, your Shakir stat doesn't track. Implying that they would have scored 30 against Baltimore if he just finished the game is ridiculous. He was missed in Houston for sure but the difference just made the difference between horrible and all-time bad. He was back for the uninspiring offense performance in NJ the week after. That's when Beane pulled the trigger on the Cooper deal.

I doubt there was even that much strategy involved. It's a stretch for Moore to go back to returning punts. The reason the team wasn't hovering around .500 on December 1 like they have been often since 2021 is because they didn't give those games away with turnovers like they so often had. That's pretty much it. And as the second worst YAC guy in the NFL in 2024 he clearly doesn't have the juice/escapability to be a return guy. 😂 I think the music just stopped in free agency and Moore was the only chair available. 92 out of 98 is still top 98, right? If one of the 4 NFL WR's on the roster gets hurt they are down to practice squad trash that has no business playing offense.

Yep 3rd string slot receiver for $4M. And the two guys on the boundary would be better fits inside. 😂

You weren't worried about WR last offseason either. Then Baltimore and Houston happened. The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century. Because of insufficient quality at WR. So you were proven wrong. Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat. And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that. (As Beane is proud to note) That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona). And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

That was just a total bunch of nonsensical horsesh!t and counter-claims to things I never said. Gaslighting the board like that is the lowest form of communication on here. Fact free shout-downs. The FACT is that he was trash last year when finally given a big opportunity. EXPECTING him to be better is foolish.

Yeah Beane is late to the party when it comes to the value of drafting and developing WR talent. He's had a couple day 3 guys pan out as high end WR3's in Davis and Shakir. But everything else Allen has had at WR has had to be acquired at great expense thru trade or free agency. Those moves tend to yield very short term rewards and then you gotta' double down with another vet etc.. But they are necessary when you don't take shots in the draft. WR is not an easy position to evaluate........there is a high failure rate, for sure. You gotta' take shots. Over the years we've pointed out a lot of players Beane has passed over who would have been excellent additions to the WR corps. But also, Beane's obsession with trading up on day 1 and 2 for anything but a WR has cost them some picks that would have been well spent on WR. The Edmunds trade up cost them pick 65. The next WR selected after pick 65 was Michael Gallup........who would have been an outstanding fit with Allen. The next year they traded up for Cody Ford. It was only 2 spots up but the next WR picked after the selection they dealt(158) was Darius Slayton. Two guys who would have provided a key missing element for the team in the early 2020's. So it's not even just the actual picks it's a combination of non-swings and failed trade-ups.

Yeah @MrEpsYtown is one of our best posters but he has it backward. Poking holes implies that something looks like it will be great but obscure reasons are being made why it won't. Moore was horrendous last year and has never been good. He's more holes than whole. You are spot on that the guys that have worked out had proven their ability elsewhere. Good receivers can put up stats wherever they are. In many cases the stats are even better when they are one of the top targets and the QB doesn't see the field well because they get force-fed the ball. Jerry Jeudy had a breakout year with that bad Browns QB situation. Moore should have done the same but there is no putting lipstick on that pig of a season he just had. His traditional bulk stats were terrible for a 100 target guy and his advanced stats were even worse. We can hope that he learns how to play WR. That's where we should be with this signing.

Monday night is the draft lottery. Always the biggest day on Sabres calendar.

Has anyone mentioned that getting Jackson is like having a second 1st round pick? Or does the first pick have to be a RB with a busted knee?

Poke holes?😂 He was literally one of the worst WR in the NFL last year. Bringing in a player who gets his team beat by causing turnovers with stupid and/or sloppy play is a step in the wrong direction. Didn't we learn that getting rid of turnover creators like Gabe Davis and Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a net positive? Moore doesn't even address the need for deep threat on the boundary. He's redundant but so much worse than Shakir/Samuel. Big Stu's third wife wants a much bigger life insurance policy than his previous two mistakes.

Perhaps more than any individual player they've added, it will be more interesting to see if Ryan Nielsen can impact their pass rush. They still don't have anyone who is likely to put up 10 sacks. They've routinely underachieved in that regard, relative to talent on hand, IMO. Epenesa is a guy who has a chance to make a fortune if he can elevate his game in this walk year. You'd hope he'd be their most improved DL this season but I think he is kind of an afterthought to most after he failed to step up in his last walk year and just didn't show much last year.

He.....not going to be there anymore.

No he doesn't have the elite arm length like Rousseau or the Wilt Chamberlin sized hands that allows Groot to tackle ball carriers/QB's that seem to have an escape angle. And Jackson is not as quick off the line. Big disparity in 10 yard split from Rousseau that shows up on tape. People forget that everyone was gushing about Rousseau's incredible, WR-like 10 yard split when he was drafted. Jackson's just not been quick enough early in the down to get the kind of massive sack production in college that Rousseau had. Jackson jumps better in shorts than Rousseau though. A good vertical leap often indicates a player will be quick off the snap but that hasn't been the case with Jackson. Neither Jackson or Rousseau change direction very well because of their long legs. I'm hoping Jackson can get quicker off the ball and continue to develop his hands but he's got limitations to overcome.

And yet you thought it was going to be a "big competition" already for spots 6 and 7 in the WR corps so no significant talent would be added. 😂

Judy was excellent. Moore was garbage. His only defense would be that after Cooper was traded he was overexposed. He is out his depth as a starting slot receiver. I would equate him to Lil' Dummy McKenzie but with less yac ability. Remember when Dummy had that big game in NE and some fans started calling for him to be given the starting slot job? But when they gave him that chance the following season he was killing drives, causing turnovers etc.. That's what Moore did with his opportunity as well.

Talking about Prather. The guy they drafted in the 7th. As for Josh Palmer.......yeah they probably NEED 700+ yards from him. If Kincaid doesn't break out in year 3 they should probably move on. This will be his age 26 season already. He almost put up 700 yards as a rookie but he was woefully inefficient/unimpactful and he doesn't bring physicality or toughness as an intangible. So far he's been a poor man's Mike Gesicki.

Yeah Moore had a ghastly 44.5 passer rating when targeted last year. An abysmal 8.8 yards per catch and 8 INT's when targeted. He had the second worst YAC average(2.2) in the NFL among qualifying receivers. PFF graded him 92 of 98 qualifying receivers. Awful.

Prather and a bunch of guys who couldn't stick on an NFL roster last year is a "big competition"? Statistically Prather has maybe a 2% chance of becoming a good NFL WR. The draft may be a "crap shoot" but teams are pretty good at identifying which WR's have a chance typically. Rounds 1-4. Shakir is an outlier in the round 5-7 range and he was there because he's a slot only. Shenault got released by Seattle in-season last year. He is a one trick pony kick returner(only slightly above average) who doesn't return punts. After Moore......who was awful last year.......the subsequent guys are nothing but practice squad fodder.

What is the Bills fan offseason narrative if Zay Flowers doesn't get injured in that season finale? Or if Andrews catches that conversion and the Ravens then end up completing their comeback as the Bills offense sputtered? The Bills needed some really favorable events to escape that divisional round home game with a win. If they lose that game the story is probably the offense.......not the defense that carried the day creating turnovers.

Jeff Ulbrich is a huge douchebag. Firing Saleh and promoting him was a step down, and that's saying something because Saleh was a true meathead. Not the least bit surprising Ulbrich has a kid who is enough of a dumbass to do this AND apparently not realize he was going to get caught.

Yeah I think you can be a WR2 on the boundary with those bulk numbers(or not, see Gabe averaging 800 his last two in Buffalo and being a WR3 quality). But from the slot you have to handicap it. There is a lot of easy production to be had from the slot with the free releases and the fact that a certain amount of teams will always keep a nickel quality defender on the slot. Ideally, you have the talent outside to allow you to put a position versatile WR like prime Diggs or Kupp in the slot and give them those free releases and watch them pile up more nearly twice what a guy like Shakir can.