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That was just a total bunch of nonsensical horsesh!t and counter-claims to things I never said. Gaslighting the board like that is the lowest form of communication on here. Fact free shout-downs. The FACT is that he was trash last year when finally given a big opportunity. EXPECTING him to be better is foolish.

Yeah Beane is late to the party when it comes to the value of drafting and developing WR talent. He's had a couple day 3 guys pan out as high end WR3's in Davis and Shakir. But everything else Allen has had at WR has had to be acquired at great expense thru trade or free agency. Those moves tend to yield very short term rewards and then you gotta' double down with another vet etc.. But they are necessary when you don't take shots in the draft. WR is not an easy position to evaluate........there is a high failure rate, for sure. You gotta' take shots. Over the years we've pointed out a lot of players Beane has passed over who would have been excellent additions to the WR corps. But also, Beane's obsession with trading up on day 1 and 2 for anything but a WR has cost them some picks that would have been well spent on WR. The Edmunds trade up cost them pick 65. The next WR selected after pick 65 was Michael Gallup........who would have been an outstanding fit with Allen. The next year they traded up for Cody Ford. It was only 2 spots up but the next WR picked after the selection they dealt(158) was Darius Slayton. Two guys who would have provided a key missing element for the team in the early 2020's. So it's not even just the actual picks it's a combination of non-swings and failed trade-ups.

Yeah @MrEpsYtown is one of our best posters but he has it backward. Poking holes implies that something looks like it will be great but obscure reasons are being made why it won't. Moore was horrendous last year and has never been good. He's more holes than whole. You are spot on that the guys that have worked out had proven their ability elsewhere. Good receivers can put up stats wherever they are. In many cases the stats are even better when they are one of the top targets and the QB doesn't see the field well because they get force-fed the ball. Jerry Jeudy had a breakout year with that bad Browns QB situation. Moore should have done the same but there is no putting lipstick on that pig of a season he just had. His traditional bulk stats were terrible for a 100 target guy and his advanced stats were even worse. We can hope that he learns how to play WR. That's where we should be with this signing.

Monday night is the draft lottery. Always the biggest day on Sabres calendar.

Has anyone mentioned that getting Jackson is like having a second 1st round pick? Or does the first pick have to be a RB with a busted knee?

Poke holes?😂 He was literally one of the worst WR in the NFL last year. Bringing in a player who gets his team beat by causing turnovers with stupid and/or sloppy play is a step in the wrong direction. Didn't we learn that getting rid of turnover creators like Gabe Davis and Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a net positive? Moore doesn't even address the need for deep threat on the boundary. He's redundant but so much worse than Shakir/Samuel. Big Stu's third wife wants a much bigger life insurance policy than his previous two mistakes.

Perhaps more than any individual player they've added, it will be more interesting to see if Ryan Nielsen can impact their pass rush. They still don't have anyone who is likely to put up 10 sacks. They've routinely underachieved in that regard, relative to talent on hand, IMO. Epenesa is a guy who has a chance to make a fortune if he can elevate his game in this walk year. You'd hope he'd be their most improved DL this season but I think he is kind of an afterthought to most after he failed to step up in his last walk year and just didn't show much last year.

He.....not going to be there anymore.

No he doesn't have the elite arm length like Rousseau or the Wilt Chamberlin sized hands that allows Groot to tackle ball carriers/QB's that seem to have an escape angle. And Jackson is not as quick off the line. Big disparity in 10 yard split from Rousseau that shows up on tape. People forget that everyone was gushing about Rousseau's incredible, WR-like 10 yard split when he was drafted. Jackson's just not been quick enough early in the down to get the kind of massive sack production in college that Rousseau had. Jackson jumps better in shorts than Rousseau though. A good vertical leap often indicates a player will be quick off the snap but that hasn't been the case with Jackson. Neither Jackson or Rousseau change direction very well because of their long legs. I'm hoping Jackson can get quicker off the ball and continue to develop his hands but he's got limitations to overcome.

And yet you thought it was going to be a "big competition" already for spots 6 and 7 in the WR corps so no significant talent would be added. 😂

Judy was excellent. Moore was garbage. His only defense would be that after Cooper was traded he was overexposed. He is out his depth as a starting slot receiver. I would equate him to Lil' Dummy McKenzie but with less yac ability. Remember when Dummy had that big game in NE and some fans started calling for him to be given the starting slot job? But when they gave him that chance the following season he was killing drives, causing turnovers etc.. That's what Moore did with his opportunity as well.

Talking about Prather. The guy they drafted in the 7th. As for Josh Palmer.......yeah they probably NEED 700+ yards from him. If Kincaid doesn't break out in year 3 they should probably move on. This will be his age 26 season already. He almost put up 700 yards as a rookie but he was woefully inefficient/unimpactful and he doesn't bring physicality or toughness as an intangible. So far he's been a poor man's Mike Gesicki.

Yeah Moore had a ghastly 44.5 passer rating when targeted last year. An abysmal 8.8 yards per catch and 8 INT's when targeted. He had the second worst YAC average(2.2) in the NFL among qualifying receivers. PFF graded him 92 of 98 qualifying receivers. Awful.

Prather and a bunch of guys who couldn't stick on an NFL roster last year is a "big competition"? Statistically Prather has maybe a 2% chance of becoming a good NFL WR. The draft may be a "crap shoot" but teams are pretty good at identifying which WR's have a chance typically. Rounds 1-4. Shakir is an outlier in the round 5-7 range and he was there because he's a slot only. Shenault got released by Seattle in-season last year. He is a one trick pony kick returner(only slightly above average) who doesn't return punts. After Moore......who was awful last year.......the subsequent guys are nothing but practice squad fodder.

What is the Bills fan offseason narrative if Zay Flowers doesn't get injured in that season finale? Or if Andrews catches that conversion and the Ravens then end up completing their comeback as the Bills offense sputtered? The Bills needed some really favorable events to escape that divisional round home game with a win. If they lose that game the story is probably the offense.......not the defense that carried the day creating turnovers.

Jeff Ulbrich is a huge douchebag. Firing Saleh and promoting him was a step down, and that's saying something because Saleh was a true meathead. Not the least bit surprising Ulbrich has a kid who is enough of a dumbass to do this AND apparently not realize he was going to get caught.

Yeah I think you can be a WR2 on the boundary with those bulk numbers(or not, see Gabe averaging 800 his last two in Buffalo and being a WR3 quality). But from the slot you have to handicap it. There is a lot of easy production to be had from the slot with the free releases and the fact that a certain amount of teams will always keep a nickel quality defender on the slot. Ideally, you have the talent outside to allow you to put a position versatile WR like prime Diggs or Kupp in the slot and give them those free releases and watch them pile up more nearly twice what a guy like Shakir can.

Josh Allen is my favorite Bills player ever and I think he's the best Bill ever. But what he has in common with the guys directly behind him on that list is that none of them performed with anything resembling regularity at their highest level in the clutch. Thurman had one great SB out of 4. Kelly was 0-4. Ditto for the other HOF'ers from that team Bruce and Andre. OJ had one playoff game as a Bill and had an awful performance(14 carries for 49 yards). Josh Allen has been really prolific in wildcard games against clearly inferior opponents(except the one loss, to Houston). None of those teams were SB contenders. That record against a tired Phil Rivers, Mack Jones, Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph and rookie Bo Nix has made Allen statistically one of the more efficient playoff QB's ever. Which really only serves to confuse Bills fans. We need to keep in mind that Brady and Mahomes didn't/don't play in those games every year like JA17 does. So after 5 final game flameouts, including two horrible full game performances......and two less than stellar performances in both of his divisional round wins versus Baltimore.........I think it's myopic to think that Josh Allen doesn't need high end skill talent around him on offense. Tom Brady wasn't perfect, he had the ball late in a couple of SB losses and didn't cash in(Eagles and Giants). He had the ball late in the other Giants loss where Wes Welker let one go thru his hands like Kincaid did in January......that still counts as a failure to finish. But Brady's career was loaded with big playoff game heroics. Often bailing out NE defense's that seemed to get figured out and fall apart in the second half. Brady was like 75%+ money in divisional, CG and SB's. Allen was in his bag in just 1 of 7 of those types of games. The two should not be compared.

@Alphadawg7 is not going to like you calling Shakir a WR3. He is, because the slot requires less of the skill that makes WR a premium position, so being slot-only lowers one's value. It's manifested in the Bills offense by the fact that they feel it's best that he come off the field as much as he does. So I gotta' agree with Gunner here @LEBills. But yeah, Coleman is the key, obviously. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he develops that quickly, I figured it was a 3 year project at least.

In this century the average defensive rank of teams that won the SB is about 8th. So that's what championship caliber looks like. The Bills have had better than "championship caliber" defense's more often than not in Josh Allen's playoff career. But no matter their rank and skill level on D the McDefense's have always played badly in the end on defense. And Josh Allen's offense's have failed in the clutch with the ball in his hands and a chance to win the game first against Houston and now two consecutive years against KC and they also had horrific performances in defeat in between against KC(2020) and Cinci(2022). Josh Allen only finished strong in 1 of his 6 playoff defeats(13 seconds) but for some reason we give his offense a pass despite not getting it done in the clutch. I say "his" offense because, like McD on D, Allen is the constant on offense. Organizationally they play poorly in the playoffs. They gotta' get better on BOTH sides of the ball in the playoffs.

Great size and speed but the question is whether he will ever start looking like a wide receiver. He's looked about as nimble footed as Frankenstein or a poor man's Justin Shorter and makes Gabe Davis hand work at the catch point look professional grade. That is, when he actually uses his hands, which is rare. Fortunately for him he has a well regarded QB passing him the ball so if he puts the work in and actually has the ability needed it should show this season.

Yes. I assume he is here because of his connection to Addae from his U of Miami days. Camp body. Wasn't very good in college so shouldn't have to worry about him making the team and not staying in his lane on ST's.

I have a friend who is a longtime general practitioner and he told me it's a common injury for dudes with fat f#cking guts who are trying to watch what they are doing when they are hitting the GF from behind. Which tracks for a 20 year old with a bulbous boiler like he has on him. So might be wishful thinking expecting a full recovery. 😂

The Bills lost their last 2 playoff games when Allen made mental errors with the ball in his hands and a chance to win those games. But we are supposed to compare him to the ultimate preparer and 24/7/365 football obsessed competitor.......the most money in the clutch decision making QB EVER in Tom Brady? For what? To humor you? Josh Allen is a great player. And an obsessive golfer, connoisseur of brown alcohol and lover of a whole lot of other things away from football. He's a guy who going into his 8th year and says he is going to work on understanding pre-snap reads better. 😂 He's much more relatable to the common man BECAUSE he's working to live and not living to work. But because he ain't going to work like the GOAT........he needs more help than the GOAT. Like basically EVERY QB ever needs more help than Tom Brady did.

Kincaid you understand? No, you don't apparently. Year 3 is typically the breakout year for TE's. Yeah he's old as dirt for a 3rd year TE but this is the year TE's are expected to break out. There isn't reason to believe in it but this is the make or break year. Star rookie TE's like LaPorta and Bowers are very unusual. But WR's who elevate to stud status in the second half of their rookie year are pretty common. That's the concern with Coleman. His rookie season reads like this.......looked promising early because he was being force fed........then fell FLAT ON HIS FACE at the end of the season. I personally thought he was a 3 year project when they drafted him but WR's selected early usually breakout early. Slow buildups like Davante Adams(my Coleman ceiling comp) are not the norm. These WR's are so much more polished entering the league now than they were 15 years ago.