starrymessenger

I think the arm strength discussion is a good one to have. There is no doubt that having a rocket arm is a nice thing to have, but I do think that we are maybe starting to split hairs a bit when we get too deep into it. Sure I'd like for Peterman to have a Stafford laser in his toolbox. Its a definite asset when executing certain throws and situationally in certain cases as the in game action unfolds. In retrospect its presence or absence, as the case may be, can probably be identified as having been a game changing factor in a specific case, but at the end of the day it is ony one of a great multitude of things that can influence the outcome of a football game insofar as QB performance is concerned. And of course its also something that you can have too much of. You don't necessarily want to even see it when executing the majority of the throws a QB has to make. You want the ball to be in the right place at the right time and for it to be catchable, receiver friendly (often Tyrod's throws are not). And of course there are great QBs that have never had M. Stafford's or Brett Favre's gun. For sure you don't want a guy with a noodle arm, but that does not at all seem to be Peterman's case. Not at all.

Actually his arm strength reminds me of Romo's. Good enuf if not great. In fact my preliminary impression is that he maybe resembles Romo quite a lot. Not a draft darling (Romo was undrafted) , decent size, average athleticism, decent arm, accurate passer, mobility, excellent vision, smarts. If he is Romo II I think we hit the jackpot.

I don't think there is a single reason that fully accounts for the move, more like a confluence of circumstances all pointing in the same direction and leading with inevitable force to the same conclusion. They have been closely watching both QBs all year. They have probably been impressed with Peterman's ability to digest the playbook and potentially execute the offence they intend to run with some proficiency. Coach says he thinks NP is ready. They have supported Tyrod by giving him his shot but he has shown that his skillset is not a fit for this system. Given their choice of scheme it is reasonable to conclude that Peterman also gives them the best chance of winning and of making the playoffs, even though that is anything but a sure thing. They cannot revert to Roman's scheme because Dennison is not Roman and they probably don't now have the horses to do it anyway after all the roster turnover. And I think its fair to say that if they had a choice between squeeking into the playoffs with Tyrod or with Peterman under center they would opt for doing it with Peterman. Makes sense to me that they would prefer not to have the QB who breaks the drought be someone that they really didn't see as the future, especially if they feel that they may have that in Peterman. In other words, as has frequently been said, they need to evaluate him in advance of the draft. I think it was a good decision to start Peterman against the Chargers, in spite of it being a road game on the opposite coast and in spite of Bosa and Ingram. I actually worry more about his having to face KC and the Pats. But if they waited to start him until after those games it would likely be too late on the assumption that he potentially improves our chances of making the playoffs, and I think the braintrust would rather roll the dice than simply foreclose on the possibility. I expect him to have some success in LA. In terms of his skillset I do think the main issue is arm strength. I understand where people are coming from when they say that he has enuf to execute the WCO. And it looks to me as though his arm is average, so not actually bad. But I would like to see a little more zip on his intermediate throws. A little bit more can actually mean a lot. The difference might not even be that perceptible to the untrained eye, but it could be crucial. If he had had that on display at Syracuse I think he would have gone a lot higher in the draft. Can hardly wait to see how he makes on Sunday.

I've only seen the same tape as most everyone else, which is a small sample. But my honest opinion is that Peterman is going to surprise a lot of people in a positive way and wind up a legit starting caliber NFL QB. Not a longterm backup. A bona fide starter. Imo him being there for us in the 5th round is flat out ridiculous and a huge steal. It is a draft anomaly and we for once are the beneficiaries. It will take a while for him to acclimate to the step up in game speed and quality cover but he will not only be able to do it but he will do it relatively quickly. I think his onfield results may well this year outperform M. Trubisky's, who I also liked in the draft, and who went long before the 5th round. I think he throws for 200+ yards on Sunday, 2 tds, 1 pick.

The deep out is the throw that I need to see him make. If he can do that I have no concerns with arm strength. In addition to the scouting report quoted by Shaw I have seen other comments confirming his deep ball accuracy. Any NFL QB can heave it 40 or more yards, as has been mentioned, so accuracy is really what that throw is all about imo. Maybe you can execute the WC offence without a good deep ball but if its in your arsenal you are a much bigger threat even if its called only infrequently, once or twice a game. If Peterman can do all that at this level then he is the complete package as an NFL passer. I too have noticed the occasional floater but I also tend to think that this is related to mechanics rather than armstrength. Otherwise I think I would have seen it more often. Looking forward to seeing what NP has to offer.

And R. Barber was saying exactly the same thing vs NO. I'd take a good cornerback/safety's word for it too, not that I have to.

This. Bodes well for the future, regardless of the result of this move, as you say.

Or keep it simple and call them all George like Foreman did. Helps if your own name is George too.

I do feel bad for Tyrod. He is a tremendous athlete and a stand up guy. But he's just not an NFL QB. He can and has been effective in the right offence, with the right coordinator and the right playcalls and gameplan. But when it was announced that Dennison was going to run a WC offence, or variant thereof, I was shocked. I could not imagine a scheme less suited to Tyrod's skillset. And if I know that I have to believe that the Bills coaches know that (at least they should by now). They have tried to make him execute from the pocket and there is a reason for that. The reason is that giving Tyrod the "right" scheme and plays may occasionally result in success but it will never result in success consistently, and most notably when it most matters. And that's because any good defensive front, like the Jets or the Saints or the Ravens or any team you are likely going to have to beat to reach the playoffs (and certainly to compete against in the playoffs) can take away what Tyrod does well and force him to do what he does not do well - work from the pocket, "be a QB". If Tyrod could do that he would probably be amongst the best and most versatile signal callers in the game - like Russell Wilson - but he can't and never has, not for a world of trying. Its really unfortunate, tragic even. Surely the braintrust must now understand that Tyrod is out of options. So what do you do? The Bills are 5/4 and still in the playoff race. Every year a couple of mediocre teams, teams with major flaws, make the playoffs. Teams like the Bills. If you stick with Tyrod you pretty much know in advance that you will fail. So why would you go with him? You do it either because you are afraid to ruffle feathers (Tyrod is well liked) or because you are putting your own name on a rebuild and you really don't care what happens this year. Neither of those are good reasons. Organizationally they point to a lack of courage/leadership and to a cynical hypocrisy when they say that they are not tanking and that they have the will to win. What they should do of course, as any reasonable observer not psychologically committed to an agenda fully understands, is start the rook. What he does best is what you want your QB to do in this offence. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that what he does best will simply not be good enuf for a host of reasons. At this point it really doesn't matter because he is your only hope. Not a great place to be but its where you're at regardless. And imo there is some basis for hoping. I really don't care that he is a fifth rounder. I don't care that he is far from being a phenomenal athlete. All that means nothing (or at least not very much) to me. He's a good enuf athlete and has enuf arm strength to execute Dennison's offence. I think there is a possibility that he is smart, I mean the way good QBs are smart. And if he is really really smart I think he can be a good QB. Lets find out.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained from continuing to start Tyrod to season's end. Its unlikely that Peterman could turn things around but it really couldn't get any worse. You could just feel the air going out of the balloon when Tyrod overthrew an open Benjamin twice in the redzone in the opening drive. I think maybe Peterman makes those throws. Ok at least maybe one of them lol. For sure a TD would not have changed the result. Saints are a superior team playng at a high level. Still I do think we would have been more competitive on O with Peterman under center. JMO.

That aging center is exactly the type of player they prefer to a guy like Woods, who is really just now entering into his prime. Remember Kelsay when Jauron was running the show?

I'm having a hard time watching this. Glad for Woodsieand Sammy tho.

Nice catch & td run for Sammy.

And they say he can block too.

No. Only 3 downs. Its a passing league.

Beats watching the Jets and Tampa. I guess.

Agreed.

They know better than that.

Necessarily when he occupies two interior O- lineman. Or even when he doesn't because Thornton and Washington can't even match up one on one.

This is true and pretty much the point that some are missing. There would be many fewer missed/broken tackles if he were there.

Absence will be felt for the remainder of the season. At least. JMO.

I dont think Glenn is right physically. I've never seen him play this badly.

This crew gives the most penalties. They are always in every game.

Fair enuf but there's another take imo. Lots here wanted Mike Williams in the last draft (with reason, and he went high in the first round). Williams and KB are basically the same receiver type. They beat up on smaller corners and win jump balls/ are redzone targets. True Williams is a bit faster but Benjamin is experienced and has already proven that he can not only play but excel in this League and even the most talented rooks have some bust/underperformance risk associated with them. And KB is only 26. So I think we traded a third and a seventh (both bearing some performance risk) for a high first rounder viz the 2017 class at least that is a more proven commodity. And Beane saying that they had a mid- first round grade on him in the 2014 class is saying a lot.The question in my mind is whether Tyrod has the stones to throw it to him when he does not gain much separation.

Right. Thanks for reminding me.