billsfan89

Wouldn’t hate the idea of tossing a 6th round pick to kick the tires but not much of a needle mover

I was responding to the idea that the Bills offensive line is getting burnt by stunts and it is a weakness for the offensive line. I think the more the new guards play with Mitch and the tackles the more they will improve at communicating and picking up stunts. I will agree that Brown is the weak link of the line. And while he is better than the total liability he was last season he still needs help in pass protection which is a limitation the offense needs to work around. I will say that Brown is playing well in run blocking which is helping the Bills establish a conventional ground game more consistently.

Gotta remember that 2 out of 5 offensive line players are new additions and one is a rookie. They also played two good defensive lines in recent weeks. The Giants DT combo is a better one in the league Thibodeaux is talented off the edge and the Jags have a good D-line and they had the whole London advantage fiasco. I think that the offensive line is still playing well all things considered. I can say that I do not feel that the offensive struggles in the past two weeks are that much on the offensive line esp in the Giants game. I think I felt like the offensive line dominated the ground game against the Giants (running right at their strength at DT and MLB none less) and gave Josh enough protection to be successful it was just the missed field goal and the two turnovers that sputtered the offense to score nothing (the Gabe fumble being the really egregious error as the Josh pick was the result of a very strong defensive play). I will say that the offensive line did share a good share of the blame against the Jags as I do think the Jags were able to generate pressure with their front four at a far too consistent rate. But once that whole game was just not a great example of the team's talents due to various factors. I feel like with more experience Mitch and the new guards will only get better at communication which will only help them at picking up stunts. Better to work out the kinks in October and November. TLDR: The offensive line is still 40% new players including a rookie and they still did a solid job against the Giants as the Giants were gashed completely in the ground game and had to stunt constantly to get pressure. The line will improve their communication with more time together and film study.

Julio Jones was the last great "freak" WR to be among the league's top 3-4 WR's. A real throwback to Randy Moss, TO and Calvin Johnson-type players. Jones is 6 foot 3 220 pounds and came into the league with 4.39 speed and a 38.5-inch verticle and played even faster and freakier than that. He dominated the league from 2014 to 2019 and is a surefire HOF player. I feel like the more dominant WR's in the league the past 7ish years have been smaller burners or route-running technicians. Guys like Diggs, Hill, Antonio Brown, Hopkins and Justin Jefferson are just not the same "freak" athletes that the top WR's used to be for various reasons. He was last a "good" player in 2020 when in 9 games he had 51 catches and 771 yards. That season he battled a hamstring injury at age 31 and missed 7 games. He got traded to the Titans in 2021 and was not the same player in either 2021 or 2022. But as I said he has not had a "dominant" season since 2019 and was last a good player in 2020. He has had back-to-back dud seasons with the Titans and Bucs. He may still have something left but it is not going to move the needle all that much. If the Bills were going to sign a street free agent or make a trade I would rather they kick the tires on Patterson from the Falcons or Hardman from the Jets. Not that either of those WR's would make a huge difference but they add some speed and pop to the offense that can make a difference.

I really hope they get Shakir more involved in the offense. He only has 4 receptions on the year but they all were key receptions that either were a TD or kept a drive going. I think they should open him up to 3-4 targets a game for the next 3 weeks and see how he handles it. I think he may be the best hope in getting more production from WR’s there aren’t Diggs. Finding a way to get Shakir and Kincaid more consistently involved is the best way the Bills can support Diggs in the passing game.

I think its better to let Williams work out the kinks. KC and the Pats back in their dynasty would play young players in September to mid-November and let them take their lumps so that by late November they worked out the kinks in their games and they were rolling a lot better headed into the final 4-5 regular season games and playoffs. I think Williams will only get better as he gets a feel for the game. He looked to be flying all over the place in both games. He just needs to play a bit calmer which I think will happen the more snaps he gets. Klein may be a more "steady" hand but Klein is a vet who is what he is. Williams could and I think will get better with more snaps. I would rather take 6-7 more weeks of a young player making a few mistakes but gives them the chance to grow into a much better player come the playoffs than a vet who at best is around average.

Funky 50/50 knuckleball games happen all the time in the NFL. The Bills got into a dog fight and won "ugly" take the win and move off. If Josh and Harris are OK then the team got out without any major injuries too (and Dane Jackson and Kincaid got a weeks rest too both returns should help both sides of the ball).

Given that Poona Ford didn't look all that great I have to think that the Bills will likely use Settle as the 1T with Ed splitting time there along with Ford taking rotational snaps and Phillips taking 3 tech rotational snaps. I think the biggest acquisitions the Bills will make at the trade deadline will be for a 1T DT and possibly corner depth. I say corner because Dane's injury is not one that goes away with a few weeks rest. So getting a respectable corner to add to the depth chart is doable and fills a need to get someone reliable behind Dane as he manages that injury all year.

Got to think he is trying to get the Pats to waste some time preparing for Kyle Allen when in reality he knows Josh is going to play. That's my optimistic take.

As far as the Giants game Dorsey did adjust to leaning on the power run game in the second half. They had three drives in the second half and they scored TD's and missed a field goal on those drives. They basically ran the ball down the Giants' throats in two long-game eating drives. The issue was the first half. And my issue with Dorsey was that by the time the Bills got the ball early in Q2 they didn't try to lean back into the run. The offense had produced two punts and a fumble why not adjust the offensive game plan then? Dorsey adjusts but he adjusts way too late. Q1 should be your testing out and feeling out of the game. You should start to make adjustments to your gameplan after your first 2-3 drives. Drosey often waits until 5-7 drives in to really change up the gameplan if it isn't working.

I don't really see a play-caller change making that much of a difference mid-season. Is Joe Brady going to call that much better of a game given that the offense cannot be changed all that much mid-season? They can't overhaul the playbook and terminology mid-season. Joe Brady running the Daboll/Dorsey offense (many players said last season the offense hasn't changed that much from the offense Daboll built) isn't going to result in that much difference. I am not a Dorsey apologist but I think you have to be realistic about what you going to do offensively. The Bills aren't likely to bring in major talent pieces via trade and they aren't going to install a new offense. The best thing fans can do is hope Dorsey works out the kinks in October and November.

Davis is a solid WR but is he more of a WR2 or WR3 is a moot point. The Bills could live with Davis inconsistency if Davis lowered his drop rate a bit and the Bills had a reliable slot WR or TE to take in some over-the-middle completions. The Bills are going to have to hope Kincaid develops into that and maybe they open up Shakir's role more.

Corporate Josh as some have called him plays a winning style that while less exciting will keep him available and avoid turnovers. He still takes chances and such just not as crazy.

I get your point on Laker fan ridiculous trades my point was that the fanbase has reasons to at least be somewhat delusional or at least overly optimistic given the trades that the organization has pulled off time and time again that were at the time of the trade rather lopsided. The Bills have no history of fleecing teams at the time of trade so no idea why fans would be so delusional. The Raiders would have to eat a lot of money for it to work for the Bills. I honestly don't see that happening. I don't know if the Raiders could even pay money on next season's contract either. I think the "big name" trade targets just won't manifest. Look to smaller or mid-level players. I would for sure look at Patterson from Atlanta as a name that could be avaialble.

The Lakers did land Pau Gasol for a pair of first-round picks and an expiring contract (The Grizzlies did get Marc Gasol but he was a low-value throw-in) and even last season the Lakers got Rui for a pair of second-round picks. The Lakers at least have a history of lopsided trades that they can go off of. The Bills have never fleeced a team so badly at the time of the trade like the Lakers have several times.

Renfrow has a huge cap number of 13 million this season and a 5.5 million dead cap next season. Although I am not sure Carolina will trade Thielen his numbers are far more manageable this season and next season cap-wise. I think the Bills likely won't have the cap space to acquire anyone that's going to massively change the complexion of the receiving core outside of maybe Thielen who is a risk at his age. Jerry Jeudy is the best player available outside of maybe Thielen if he hits the trade market and he isn't a difference maker in my opinion at least not currently. Mike Evans likely isn't going to be available due to the fact that the Bucs will likely be in contention for their division. I think if the Bills are going to make an offensive addition it's going to be similar to Hines last year. A quality role player who may add a dimension to the offense (if used correctly) but isn't going to be a massive difference-maker. I think Patterson from Atlanta or Mecole Hardman from the Jets are decent options to add more speed to the offense. Both teams aren't using those relatively cheap players.

According to Spotrac the Bills have about 5.6 million in cap space and I don't know if they could do a mid-season restructure but if they could they could add about 4 million in space by restructuring Dawkins. That's a pretty tight cap situation esp if they can't do any restructuring. But Thielen's contract is pretty manageable. His cap hit for this season is about 3.3 million and his cap hit for next season is 9.9 million but can be restructured down to 6.55 which for a quality vet WR isn't bad. Could any of the TBD cap scientists put into perspective Thielen's contract if the Bills were to trade for him? What would be the cap hit the rest of this season along with the dead cap issues and cap numbers going forward? I would easily give up a 4th or 5th for him but not so sure I would want to eat a big dead cap number anytime soon for him either.

The Bills have to spread the ball around. DC's will double and maybe even double with shaded zone Diggs and dare the Bills to beat them via the run or to other targets. I honestly would like to see them get Shakir involved more in the offense. Every time I see Shakir he always makes a solid catch. The only time I saw him make misses was on the 2pt conversion which was more Josh's fault and the attempted shoulder catch which was still a good attempt at a difficult catch. Every game it seems he always makes one good catch that comes up with critical yards. My hope is that the Bills have a semblance of a ground game this season and some better supplemental targets to go to. Although a trade for another weapon in the receiving game would help.

I stand corrected, I thought he got caught penetrating which they had been doing most of the game well. Giants noticed that and took advantage with a couple of traps. The Bills adjusted back quickly. I think a trade for a 1T DT will likely be in the cards come the deadline along with a depth CB due to the fact that Dane's injury is not something that "goes away" really with a few weeks rest.

Williams will have some growing pains but he had some nice plays and was all over the field. He just needs more time and experience to stop over pursuing and be in the right place more consistently. But he looks like he belongs which is a good sign. Hopefully by December he is a lot better.

Outside of the two trap plays that Barkley broke off the Giants didn’t have much success running the ball up the middle. I know Ford was on the field for those trap plays but I don’t think getting caught on the trap was his fault. Hard to really figure out how he played esp against a bad Giants offensive line.

I tossed the Bengals in there off reputation and the fact that if Joe Burrow gets somewhat healthy they will be a lot better on offense even if their offensive line is still a big issue for them. They survived the bad start and are back at .500 can’t rule them out

I get it but trust your defense, they had played great all game

I would have to watch the game again but Dorsey at least turned to the ground game in the second half. The first half was a ***** show but I really think that while the play calling could have been better it was the Gabe fumble and the great tips by the Giants MLB that stalled the offense’s momentum. Dorsey should have leaned on the ground game early once it was clear the offense was sputtering at least he got with the program later in the game.

Outside of the Browns Those teams don’t have the QB play to be competitive with elite teams in my opinion. Houston I do like as a solid team but much like the Bills in 2019 I think they are a year away. Kirk Cousins exercising his no trade also means no decent QB is going to be there via trade either. So those teams are likely “stuck” with their Qb situations.