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This is a recurring sentiment here, that the Bills have recently somehow been failures. That there aren't good seasons unless a Superbowl is involved. See above, many posters now seemingly discount the regular season. A season is considered by some a failure unless a Superbowl is involved. And we're seeing this as good teams/coaches/QBs are struggling to get in this year.

Since he's been basically not playing all year I didn't add Ed even though obviously would love to have them back

The talking heads said the Bills were the team in the AFC that week and per every bill FA talked to that week the Ravens were the good ravens before they all got injured

Who else was fired? Also, they hired Coombs the ST coordinator, not Coombs the fired DC.

you're not understanding what I'm saying buddy There's no point in debating with you because I'm not saying I don't want better wide receivers This is a salary cap league and Josh has a 350 million contract... You can't have pro bowlers everywhere We do have a top three offensive line in the NFL.. I wouldn't trade that for the Bengals wide receivers because guess what Joe b is consistently hurt and on his back.. he also misses the playoffs We also just paid cook who's one of the best running backs in the NFL... You don't pay him to hand it off the ball to him 10 times a game... We're getting our money out of it... And he absolutely takes pressure off Josh You just go to a semantic like name one quarterback who would win the game against the Bengals lol the Bills score 28 points per game lol everybody around the league knows we can sneeze out 30 If anything you're the one making excuses I am 100% certain this offense is good enough to win a Super bowl.. you need to be able to win in variety.. Josh Allen dropping back and throwing 40 times a game would not make this offense look better consistently We could win with Josh throwing 20 times.. and we could win with Josh throwing 35 times If you go back 4-5 years ago we could not win a game without Josh Allen being Josh Allen.. we literally have one with Josh doing nothing this year in a few games You can't even compare the variety in our offense right now to four or five years ago... We were never winning a Super bowl with Devin singletary as our running back You're angry that Josh Allen went Superman? That doesn't mean our offense sucks and that he has to do it all the time like he used to... He used to have to put on the cape consistently for 60 minutes weekly... Singletary had six 100 yard games in 4 years... Josh consistently needed a cape James Cook has seven 100 yd games this season... Dude I'm sorry that takes immense pressure off of Josh throughout 17 game regular season.. now he puts the cape on when we need him not 60 minutes every game that's a huge difference

The reason for additional signings. Do you think if Dewayne Carter, Michael Hoecht and Ed Oliver were healthy that the Phidarian Mathis is on the current 53?

Wondered whether somebody was going to go down this road- mentioning the relative ‘strength’ of the TE Receivers. Underlined word being ‘relative’, as in NOBODY but a Pom Pom wearer would out these 3 in the grouping of Gonzalez, Gates, Gronk or Winslow! EVER! They are simply serviceable. But, it is an interesting concept. Because the WR corps is so ***** dreadful, gap one- two of them and play ALL TEs, all the time! They are likely to compete for balls better because of their size and get separation! Until Beanbrain acquires a real, Top 10 #1 WR, perhaps that is the way to go forward!

Wow, you knuckleheads really like to tempt fate with your jinx threads and posts?

He went to Yale, so maybe he gets a Masters in English History from Harvard. At the same time he becomes the Paul Costa version of John Stallworth.

From what I could find on a quick search, there have been three players to win the NFL MVP younger than 24 years old (and/or in the first 3 seasons of their career): Jim Brown (1957---age 22, rookie year), Lamar Jackson (2019---age 22/23, 2nd year), Patrick Mahomes (2018---age 23, 2nd year). So, as you said, there is precedent with Mahomes and Jackson both winning in their second year and at about the same age as Maye (23 years old, 2nd season). Now, having said that, I thought I would compare the two QB MVP seasons to Maye's season. Mahomes (2018) 5,368 total yards, 52 total TDs, 12 INTs Jackson (2019) 4,333 total yards, 43 total TDs, 6 INTs [Maye is on pace for (pro-rated stats to 17 games)]: Maye (2025) 4,879 total yards, 33 total TDs, 8 INTs Stafford (2025, for comparison) is on pace for: 4,386 total yards, 45 TDs, 5 INTs. (Pretty similar to Lamar's 2019 stats, sans the running) Maye's yards and interceptions fit right in between Jackson's and Mahomes' first MVP season stats (of course, even though Jackson's yard total isn't as high, a lot of it for him was we just hadn't seen a QB that dynamic with running the ball, at least since Vick). The only knock for Maye is TD totals (and maybe strength of schedule---though you can only play who is on your schedule). The others (the two MVP seasons listed, and Stafford...and Josh as well), will all have 43 or more total TDs (Maye is on pace for 33). Not sure how much the voters weigh yards vs. TDs...as Maye will most likely have more yards than Stafford and Allen (and Jackson in 2019). No question Maye is having an excellent year, I'm just not sure if it is as dynamic or as eye-opening as say Lamar's running in 2019 and Mahomes' 5,000 yards and 50+ TDs in 2018. But, Maye is obviously not competing with Jackson's and Mahomes' MVP years, and there is no run away candidate this year. And he has taken his team that wasn't expected to do much, to a 11-2 record and probably a division title (that's big, especially with the Bills in the division). So sure, why not Maye? I do agree that Josh is not winning the MVP if the Pats hold on to the division (and with Maye playing as well as he is in the same division). So, if things stay relatively the same, it is probably a two-man race between Stafford and Maye. But there is still a lot of ball left to play. But, yeah, no reason Maye can't win in his second year, I just wonder if some voters would rather give it to an older vet---not sure why I'm thinking that though, just a gut feeling...and good luck with the "other guys have more help" argument. We tried that with Josh for a couple of seasons to no avail. Though, it did probably finally weigh in to the equation a bit last season, when he finally won.

Excuse me, but this is largely nonsense. The only difference maker you trade up for is a quarterback like, as you say, the Chiefs did. But, of course, you ignore that the Bills did exactly the same thing a year later to get Allen. You do not make moves like that, way up into the first round, for a receiver. They simply aren't worth it. I've never liked Metcalf (I think he isn't a team player) and Pickens got traded on his rookie contract, so that tells you something about him. But even given that, of course you can find good receivers in later rounds. If you actually thought about it for, say, two and a half seconds, you'd remember that Beane did exactly that when he found Shakir. The whole league passed on Metcalf, Pickens, and Collins, not just Beane. Whenever a star emerges from later rounds, it means everyone misjudged him. Zay Flowers is playing with a Hall of Fame quarterback, and he's about to miss the playoffs altogether. You're right, Elam and Coleman were mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. And you're missing the fundamental point: The Bills do not want to use large resources on receivers. They can get the same production from a receiver by committee approach, and it doesn't cost as much. The Bills are fifth in passer rating and they are 11th in yards per game, which is fine because they are first in rushing yards per game and second in total yards per game. They are fifth in points per game. They wouldn't have won more games if they had Zay Flowers.

This was silly when people were trying to make this argument over the summer. It's even sillier now. And for the record, Ty has a fumble this year. On only 25 rushes and 16 receptions. So do that math to get to his average rate vs Jimbo.

To me, Dawson Knox just showed once again he is a good receiver. Hawes is an ascending player we will want to develop further. That leaves Kincaid as the odd man out; especially with his inability to stay healthy. Mike Geisticki (sp), who Cincinnati just picked off the trash heap torched us Sunday. So you can find tweeners in the draft or in FA. Kincaid just hasn’t worked out. Move on in 2026. End of story.

I get what you are saying. Can we really truly be happy about being in year nine of Josh Allen with not even a super bowl appearance? I really thought by now we would have seen it and truthfully a hoisting of the Lombardi trophy too. Football has been a lot more fun the last decade or so. However, I can't help but to feel a little disappointed.

The turf is not old and outdated. It is the same as every other turf field in the NFL. They all have the same benefits and drawbacks and they must all be filled with rubber pellets to provide a softer surface to play on. What other team clears the entire field during timeouts and half time? None of them. They all do the exact same thing. Do you think Buffalo is the only field that gets snow in the NFL?

Stafford is a lock unless the Rams go 1-3 and he has like 9 turnovers in those games. Not going to happen. Stafford nearing the end & never winning before helps his case. This. I think, in general, Allen does more with less than any other QB. How many TD's would he have with the Rams offensive talent?

I don't think he's a lock if the reigning MVP outplays him at home in December. The end of the season carries so much more weight to the voters.

Good God.

It's what the Left does. WATCH Randi Weingarten Drop WHOPPER of a Lie About How SHE Tried to Open Schools The fact that Randi Weingarten still has a powerful position says a lot about how useless the teachers' unions really are. Surely, someone who has done so much damage to the institution as a whole, like Weingarten, should have been removed by now. Heck, some people believe Weingarten actually played a huge part in getting Trump elected again. And for parents overwhelmingly supporting school choice. No wonder she's trying so hard to now blame Trump for closing the schools. Crazy, right? Watch: https://twitchy.com/samj/2025/12/09/randi-weingarten-lies-and-blames-trump-for-closed-schools-watch-n2422631

Hawes - 15 targets, 12 catches, 11 1st Downs, 3 TD's. Keep feeding him the rock.

1. Pellets serve a purpose. Every single artificial turf field in the NFL has them Every single one. Maybe ask ChatGPT why all NFL artificial turf fields have pellets? 2. See number one above. Since every single NFL turf field has pellets, how can it be Billsy? Really? The stadium is old and outdated? Must be why they are building a new one. SOOO Billsy! Good god, man, educate yourself before you post this dreck.

Guys, I love Hawes too, but he’s not Kinkaid and never will be. He’s great at the dump off as no LB actually wants to man up on him. Hell, DE’s don’t want to line up on him. He’s an option and will grow a little with the passing game. He’s not even Knox. He had almost 100 yards Sunday. He would more if there were more opportunities for him. Brady has been blowing it with Knox. He’s better than what I’ve heard on this board this year. He can be a bigger threat. Brady has to grow some creativity, god forbid.

Liberal amnesia. That was a notable Covidiot Moment! Anyway it's time for everyone to get their boosters.