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It seems a little weird for a head coach with SB aspirations to choose two first time coordinators to run his offense and defense. And, yeah, hopefully they learning as they go and continuing improving. But look at KC in comparison: HC: Reid. A creative offensive guru, his track record speaks for itself. DC: Spags. Some say Spags, a former head coach, is the best DC in the league. Romo says he needs to be in the coordinator HOF (if there was one). OC: Nagy. Nagy, the NFL Coach of the Year in 2018, is known for creativity and QB development skills. Reid/Spags/Nagy might be the most talented, intelligent coaching triumvirate in the league. I like McD as a head coach but I don't think McDermott/Babich/Brady is in the same tier. Hopefully, they'll get there.

Has the O-line performed worse this year than last? Yes, it has. That’s not a revelation, it’s a reality across several areas of the offense. But even with regression from last year’s elite standards, the Bills’ O-line is still performing at a top-tier level relative to the rest of the NFL. That part hasn’t changed. I want to remind you why I originally responded: you said, “When the O-line is healthy they are bad at pass protection.” That was a bold claim, and it simply wasn’t supported by any available data. Since then you’ve shifted the goalposts to, “Well, the O-line isn’t as good as last year,” which is true, but irrelevant to your original statement. The discussion wasn’t about this year vs last year. It was about whether this line is “bad” at pass protection. The evidence says it isn’t. And if we’re talking about the passing offense struggling this season, the O-line is one of the last places to look. There are multiple, far more plausible reasons: • Joe Brady’s inconsistency • lack of top-end receivers • missing Kincaid and Palmer • Beane’s overall WR room construction • and yes, Allen himself at times It’s not a mystery the pass game hasn’t reached expectations. But reaching for the O-line, one of the clear strengths of the roster, as the culprit simply doesn’t make sense. If anything, the O-line (in both run blocking and pass protection), Cook, and Allen (to be clear, Allen has had his moments which is why I noted him above too) have been the stabilizing forces of the offense while everything around them has fluctuated. At this point, it’s fair to simply acknowledge that your original claim, that the O-line is bad at pass protection when healthy, was inaccurate. That’s why I responded in the first place: because it was an extreme statement that didn’t align with anything objective. Frustration with the broader offense is understandable, but attributing that frustration to the one unit that consistently grades near the top of the league is not. We can disagree on interpretations, but we can’t ignore what the data shows. And the data has not supported your position from the start.

I got a girlfriend that's better than this But you don't remember at all As we get older and stop making sense You won't find her waiting long

Am I a BILLS hoarder? No. But if they lose to the Bengals I may turn into a ... BILLS hater (For a season)

If they feel they need another outside corner, they'll bring Dane Jackson up from the PS. Not saying this is a great solution, but he's there when/if the need arises.

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Let me guess you dominate your Madden league and send all out blitzes on most downs? The game of football is much different than the sport we watch. It's hilarious to see such takes. Thanks for entertaining me. "Bruce Smith didn't get a sack today, he sucks. 4 weeks in a row no sack" " He was chipped and then double teamed every time." " But he didn't get a sack and was always right about to get one before the QB moved up in the pocket." " He plays 34 DE" " He only has 7 sacks this year. Phil has 5 and much cheaper. We don't need Bruce." "Ok" I don't get it. I really don't get it.

Needs a Key & Peele skit.

Very soon European culture and society as we know it won't exist. Leaders there are obsessed with committing cultural suicide. And suppressing any dissent to their policies and practices. A comparison to the situation might be the experience of Native Americans when European explorers and settlers appeared on the scene. Soon enough their lands were seized, their customs erased, and their people killed. This is the fate of Europe at the hands of African and Middle Eastern "migrants". Europe will devolve into a 3rd world region. Was there ever a collective group of people claiming intellectual superiority over those protesting the path they've put their nations on that were more nefarious than leaders like Kerr Starmer?

I see your point, but I do think coaches play a role in tackling and gap integrity. Somebody on the Bills mentioned that the Bills D recently changed the standard from 'practicing until they got it right' to 'practicing until they couldn't get it wrong.' This is what made Vince Lombardi great. He wasn't brilliant at Xs and Os but he coached his guys up until they executed his limited playbook flawlessly. And that's been a strength of the McD defense in the past: superior communication and execution. It hasn't been a strength this year, though it seems to be improving. I acknowledge, though, that there are players who, no matter how much or well you coach them, will screw up come gametime.

Joe Burrows himself on the injured list every year. I've seen fans say they'd take him over Josh because at least Burrough got his team the super bowl. That's like saying hey I took her home last night ... So what if she didn't put out

I doubt we lose because of a game winning FG opportunity from Prater. He may miss a kick here and there but he’s usually clutch when the games on the line throughout his career

Well, I didn't say the number of sacks is meaningless. I said he doesn't take nearly as many if he was a non mobile QB behind that line. Pretty simple. The logic of mentioning sacks (and pressures) is to point out that the O-line, as far as how it protects Josh Allen this year, is both subjectively and objectively worse based on end results. I guess Allen is just squandering this top notch protection with poor QB play, no?

And we are better at home.

my autocorrect tries to make it burrows every time for some reason 😂

Gotta misspell his name. Nothing gets his fanboys more upset than that Joe Burrough. Joe Burrows. Joe Borrow. The famed QB from Ole Miss.

it’s a grass is greener thing…most bengals fans think he’s a bottom third coach or worse. I actually saw a few bengals fans that said ‘fire Taylor and hire Joe Brady’ which is about as strong evidence gets for the ‘grass is greener’ theory 😂

Doubt the Bills would let him; he’s a dead man walking, or sitting actually.

I completely understand how Slay would pick the warmer weather in Philadelphia over Buffalo The guy should sell used cars and give up football..

Honestly, at this point I really have to applaud the consistency, not in your logic, but in your commitment to avoiding it. We’ve now gone from: “Number of sacks doesn’t mean anything about the O-line.” to “Allen has more sacks this year, so the O-line must be bad.” …all while completely sidestepping pass block win rate, which has now been brought up twice and somehow keeps getting ignored like it’s in witness protection. Just to remind you: PBWR specifically removes QB mobility, escape ability, scramble rate, extended plays, and all the things you keep trying to blame for last year’s excellent pass protection numbers. It measures only whether the lineman holds his block for 2.5 seconds. That’s it. None of the other noise factors in. But since PBWR is apparently off-limits in this conversation, let me add one more inconvenient piece of objective data you’ll probably pretend not to see. I’m linking a composite chart that averages three independent analytics sources, PFF, ESPN, and SIS. This isn’t one metric. It’s three combined. Guess where the Bills land? Top right quadrant. Which, in case the axes are tricky: • higher pass protection efficiency • better EPA per dropback • better overall performance Basically: “this O-line is good.” But I’m sure when you see it, we’ll get Installment #3 of the ongoing saga “Metrics Don’t Count Unless They Agree With Me.” Because we’ve already watched you redefine the meaning of sacks twice in the same thread, first they were meaningless, now they’re definitive proof, and the only consistent thing so far has been your determination to ignore anything measurable when it contradicts your conclusion. That’s not analysis. That’s stubborn narrative maintenance. Look, you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion. If you feel the O-line is bad, nobody can stop you. But pretending the data is on your side while actively avoiding the data? That’s a different conversation entirely. Anyway, take a look at the chart or enjoy selectively ignoring it.

He's beaten McD last couple times and the home playoff loss left a mark, for sure.

Bills 6 Bengals 5

Do we even carry 5 LBs who can walk?

I don’t think they will. As someone pointed out, Boldin actually signed with us, retired, then subsequently asked Beane/Bills to release him so he could sign with another team. Beane said Nope! Hopefully he does the same in this situation.

Throw in "Zat you, Santa Claus??" and you have the trifecta of annoying Christmas songs!!