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Thanks. I think he’s going to improve on what we saw from him in the first half of last season. I think a lot of Keons success depends on Josh’s cohesion with Palmer, Moore and Kincaid on 20+ yard routes. If those guys can keep the defenses honest, I think Keon can really take advantage of physical mismatches and break some tackles to get some gainers. I love the run after catch ability on this team. If we can get some improvement in the 20+ yard area and the sideline, this offense is going to be scary. 2nd WRs are key. If he becomes a good WR2- in good with that. what numbers do you think he’ll hit?

This is his year to put up or literally shut up.

Looks like he’s worked his butt off this off season. We’ll see how he does.

At a loss for words after a fireworks show? When I took my 16 month old to DisneyLand last month, after the fireworks show (which they do nightly) he said “WOW!!” then ate another cookie.

That was true his rookie year 2023 which is why we saw Dodson out there for Milano and AJ Klein (not Williams) for Bernard in the playoffs. I think it's less true now. I don't think the Bills win 9 of 11 games which Williams started in place of Milano if he hadn't improved substantially in his play recognition and his understanding of his role in the play. But yes, he does need to take another step mentally which is why we saw Milano as soon as he could take the field.

His numbers will be better than your projection, not in small part due to the fact that he has Josh Allen.

I don’t think he will ever be more than a 2nd or 3rd WR. I hope I am wrong and he dominates.

Can’t wait to see Karoline’s response to the inevitable question about the one stat that Donnie finds most important - crowd size. Looks like the “No Kings” crowds far surpassed the headcount of the Army parade; even in many individual cities, including DC, so he can’t blame the less than ideal weather. When asked about the MAHA report just having flat out made up sources, she claimed it was “formatting errors.” Then when they removed the AI generated sources or the sources that literally contradicted the body of the report, she stood her ground that those were the same formatting errors she referenced. 😂 Let’s see how she spins this one, since we know Don will make sure that answer is scripted perfectly. Where did we find our last four press secretaries? A community college Toast Masters class? And I’ll save one of you the handful of keystrokes: ⬆️ Hoax 😂

Interesting. As far as fan expectations, fans will always expect first rounders to contribute strongly, starting their first year. As far as fan expectations being realistic - Beane has a draft pattern of trying to overcompensate for drafting late in the first by choosing high ceiling/low floor kind of guys. Rousseau was an example of that - a player who had a lot of raw physical talent and had shown potential, but had actually had played very little college ball. 15 games, that's it. Rousseau looks like a decent contributor now, but it took him a while to get there. Elam IMO was an example of that - a physically talented fast guy, who needed to take a big step in his actual coverage skills to play at the NFL level. And of course, the ultimate example was Josh Allen. Anyway I see Keon as another of Beane's "high ceiling, low floor" rifle shots. He's big, he can box out like a basketball player ('cuz he was one) - can't coach size and physicality - and he needed a lot of work on his route running and release moves.

That might be the craziest post in this thread. All feels, no common sense. You don't early-extend a RB AND pay him top of the market on the basis that you assume he will: -Go from a liability in pass pro to very good -Become a much better pass receiver -Prove he can handle a much greater workload like the other top paid RB's -And not fall completely off the cliff a couple years from now like Dalvin did in his 3.2 ypc age 28 season. Those are the reasons why you AT LEAST wait to pay him until he proves he can improve. Top of the market is still going to be there. What are you risking by making him prove it? And I mean Ty Johnson put up a greater ypc at 5.2 versus 4.9 and his ridiculous 15.8 yards per reception was almost twice that of Cook(8.1). And Johnson can actually pass block. That's why Allen could call him the best 3rd down back in the NFL and have a strong case. That being the case the only way the offense could "dramatically" improve on third downs is if Cook is better than those gaudy numbers. Even if Johnson falls off a cliff now, the standard for the RB position for the Bills on 3rd down is astronomically high. Hilariously crazy takes by you.

The average above was based on 13 games, which is the same amount that played his rookie season. While he surpassed yardage and TD’s he did not in receptions. But yes the fact that he’s in the ballpark is reason for optimism That was Tim’s argument for cutting off the search at 2022 and not including rookies like Worthy or Ladd who had pretty good rookie seasons

I've been one of his biggest supporters since the start, and already said 1 month ago that he was gonna impress - his strength and quickness at top of route will be noticeably improved. Its not jump balls, its the leverage and his athletic ability that will be on better display. I think hes ready to be a big time player for us. Im going 65 catches for 900 yards and 8 TDs, if he can stay healthy all season.

This is make or break year. Pretty much like Elam.

Things are pointing in the direction that your numbers seem more than reasonable. I would actually consider bumping up the TDs. If everyone stays relatively healthy, I think the WR/TE group can put up some decent reception numbers.

Worth watching just for the soundtrack to the Ferguson highlights. Oozing with funk!

Well...it does roll that way sometimes (regression in 2nd season). Look at Kincaid.

Not to be a pedantic Karen (we have enough of those already) but it restarted in 1980 while Carter was still in office. Firsthand knowledge!

Great idea. Being one of the old guys, I’d make a couple suggestions: 1. I would think about Jerry Butler vs, Moulds at WR. His career was cut short by injury but he was something else. 2. I’d reverse Reed and Diggs; to me Andre almost invented slot receiver. 3. You don’t have a TE so I’d throw Ernie Warlick in there. 4. DT I’d have Tom Sestak. He was a great player. 5. DE: Could make a case for Ron McDole 6. OLB Mike Stratton was great. And MLB I might put London Fletcher, or Jim Haslett. Talley was really more an OLB. 7. CBs for me would be Robert James and Butch Byrd. I personally liked Egerson as much as Byrd James to me is the best CB to ever put on a Bills uniform. Could also put White here. 8. At S you could throw in Saimes and/or Tony Greene. Saimes was a mainstay of the great AFL defenses.

I think if any receiver on this team takes a leap, I think it will be Dalton Kincaid. If Keon can develop into a high end WR2 though I’d be floored..

This is well and clearly put. To repeat something I posted elsewhere in support: McDermott's defense is built to depend upon players who understand their role on each play and execute flawlessly rather than physically superior stars. It breaks down when we have a player who ad-libs outside his role. Example: Jordan Phillips in 2019. As a 3T on the Bills #2 ranked D, he had a career year with 9.5 sacks. But that same D was 18th in the league for rush Y/A and one reason for that was Phillips being a bit too quick to head for the QB, rather than maintaining gap integrity against the run. The dependence on everyone on defense knowing and doing their job is how the Bills manage years like 2023 where the Bills D was #4 for points given up without a single defender who received all-pro or pro bowl honors. In contrast, the Ravens #1 defense had 2 1st team all pro honors and 4 pro bowlers. The #2 Chiefs had 2 1st team all pro and a pro bowler. And the #3 49ers had a 1st team all pro and 4 pro bowlers. #5 Cowboys, a 1st team all pro and 3 pro-bowlers. #6 Steelers a 1st team all pro and 2 pro bowlers. One can argue about the significance of pro bowls or the voting process, but in the bottom line they both recognize what Emmanuel Acho (I think) called "freakazoids", players who have athletic abilities that let them make game changing plays most players at their position simply couldn't. The Bills D manages to be solid (most of the time) without freakazoids, because guys know and do their job. And when it's "next man up" with guys who don't know their roles and execute near flawlessly, we get badly gashed. Example: 2024 reg season Ravens game featuring Baylon Spector at MLB, Dorian Williams at OLB, and Cam Lewis at Nickle and then Rapp went out and Cole Bishop came in for him. 471 yds, 271 on the ground, no interceptions, 1 sack for 1 yd. Ugly all around.

I’ll go for 51- 825-6 if healthy.

without his injury last year he surpasses those numbers as a rookie-so you actually think he’s going to regress his 2nd year rather than improve

You were all in on him back then...

Some are, some aren't. GB answers it below: Thank you.

Much of the discussion this offseason has been about Keon Coleman and the step forward he’ll need to take to become successful. In fact, Brandon Beane constructed the WR room with the expectation that Coleman would take on a bigger role. I’ve seen fans with some pretty lofty expectations including comparisons to Tee Higgins or even calling him a future WR1. Personally, I think that bar is too high. Yes, I do believe Coleman will improve from last season, but I’m expecting more of a modest jump rather than a breakout. His draft position also matters here. Historically, receivers taken late in the 1st round to early 2nd, like Coleman, tend to have decent, not elite, careers. That includes guys like current Bills WR Elijah Moore. Tim Graham recently dug into the numbers using TruMedia and looked at all WRs drafted between picks 28 and 35 since the NFL’s 2002 realignment. Here’s what he found (excluding newer guys like Coleman, Worthy, and McConkey who haven’t played enough yet): Average game: 5 targets, 3 catches, 44 yards, 0.3 TDs Average season: 13 games, 35 catches, 471 yards, 3 TDs Average career: 77 games, 203 catches, 2,691 yards, 15 TDs The top careers in that group belong to Jabar Gaffney, Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Tee Higgins, and Michael Pittman. Even former Bills darling Kelvin Benjamin ranks in the top 10 for receptions and yards — meaning his career was actually above average for that draft slot. So when you look at it, Coleman’s 2024 season already puts him close to the average for WRs taken in that range: 29 receptions, 556 yards, 4 TDs There’s definitely room for growth but expecting him to become a dominant WR1 or a high level WR might be unrealistic. That said, I’m optimistic we’ll see some improvement. Personally, I’m projecting: 2025 prediction: 38 receptions, 625 yards, 3 TDs What about you? What are your expectations for Coleman this season?