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Wow, you must really be interested to see how much discussion my take has got here and compared it to others. And actually most of the discussion has been solely by you. Seems like I hit a nerve here with you accusing other posters of being clueless WRT player evaluations. For someone to be so upset about my take on this, I guess I hit too close to home.

yes, definitely the blue..

Yea. In the WCO the play call is more defined for the receivers. If your QB is a general the EP is better for you. If your QB is a paint by numbers guy run the WCO.

You make the stupidest posts

TMI Just not a fan of people making fun of other people for immutable characteristics such as age.

Don't wake up Daddy from his nap.

Again if you're just talking about a West Coast playing style.. you can adopt that in a Earhart Perkins system.. West Coast system was short passes being an extension of the run.. motion zone running.. misdirection All of that was built on top of the verbiage system The differences that the EP is simple.. ghost tosser means the same whether they're an 11 personnel 21 personnel or 12 personnel It would have three different calls under the West Coast verbiage.. some might be 20 word play calls.. it is more strictly defined because everything is spelled out

The real Vance Boelter: https://slowcivilwar.substack.com/p/on-the-christian-education-of-dr Boelter, we know, was a Trump supporter, but he was a student of the man who preached a violent-prayer-a-day, the founder of Boelter alma mater Christ for the Nations Institute, Gordon Lindsay. We can no more pin Boelter’s crimes on Lindsay than we can say he’s the “fruit” of Trumpism’s spirit of political violence; the criminal bears the true weight of his actions. But it’s worth a moment to trace some of the tributaries which feed into an assassin’s death dreams. Gordon Lindsay was born in 1906, in what was then called Zion City, Illinois (today just Zion). It had only recently been established as a “Christian utopia”—or, some said, a massive exercise in securities fraud perpetrated by faith healer John Alexander Dowie, of whom Lindsay’s father was a follower. As a young man, Lindsay would attribute to another faith healer his own recovering from “poisoning,” via exposure to this verse from the Book of Acts—seen here as depicted in a movie about Lindsay made by Christ for the Nations—sometimes taken by antisemites that Jews are “Christ-killers.” The Christ for the Nations film skips over the late 1930s and early 40s, during which Lindsay was involved with British Israelism, an antisemitic movement which maintained that Anglo-Saxons were the true Israelites, not the Jews. That movement was forerunner of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. In 1940, Lindsay organized the “Anglo-Saxon World Federation Convention,” which was about what it sounds like.

The difference between the EP and what I call the spread varience of the WCO is both verbiage and choice. The verbiage is different and in the WCO the WR rules are stricter. In the EP you rely on the QB and the WR interpreting the rules of the play the same more.

I did an experiment. I used only advanced stats and AI to find out who the best QB was. I’m making a video for it. I have all of the stats and the voiceovers down for it. Below is the script of it. i haven’t got the images for it yet. I want to get it out and finished in the next week or two. Found some very interesting things. It’s about an 8 to 9 minute read below. Let me know if you guys think there is any flaws in it. I tried to not be as bias as possible and just let the advanced stats do the talking. Everything is explained below with how I did it and the scoring. If you read it I hope you enjoy. Some interesting finds. —————————————————— This is not hype. This is not opinions. It’s execution—measured across 26 advanced metrics to find the best quarterback of the 2024–25 NFL season. No bias. No favoritism. Just pure football truth—backed by data. Traditional stats tell part of the story—but they don’t let you compare great quarterbacks with different styles. Advanced metrics track every throw’s quality, every risk, every decision. They strip out noise—and reveal what execution really looks like. I graded every quarterback across four execution quadrants: Passing. Rushing. Turnover control. Sack discipline. Each quadrant had a defined role—and a defined weight. Also each quarterback must have played at least 15 games during the season to qualify. Inside each quadrant, we used between two and eleven advanced stats—26 total. Every QB was evaluated on the same 26. The result? A 260-point grading system that rewards clean, complete execution. To score every metric fairly, we used a 10-point scale. First place got 10 points, second 9, third 8—all the way down to 1 point for 10th place. Finish outside the top 10? You got zero. And when there was a tie, we averaged the tied positions. So if two QBs tied for second, that’s 8.5 points each. One rule. One scale. All season. Passing isn’t just the foundation of quarterbacking—it’s the foundation of the Vault. This quadrant uses 11 advanced metrics, worth 110 total points, to evaluate everything from ball placement to pressure control. We begin with Intended Air Yards per Attempt and Completed Air Yards per Completion. These measure how far a quarterback pushes the ball vertically—before and after the catch. Next: Bad Throw Percentage and On-Target Percentage. One shows how often the QB missed. The other shows how often he nailed the throw. Drop Rate isolates when the receiver failed to finish. Yards After Catch per Completion helps us separate QB value from receiver value. Then we grade timing with Pocket Time and Time to Throw. Was the ball coming out fast? Was the pocket steady—or did the QB make it look that way? Finally: Pressure Rate Faced and Pressure-to-Sack Percentage. How often was the QB under heat—and what did he do with it? Passing execution isn’t just about throwing. It’s about decision-making, movement, and results. Then comes mobility—because passing might be the plan, but not every play goes as planned. The Rushing quadrant uses 10 metrics, worth up to 100 points, to capture a quarterback’s legs as a weapon. We looked at Yards Before and After Contact per Attempt. Broken Tackles. Tackles for Loss. Then we counted Explosive Runs of 10, 20, and 30+ yards. Not every run is created equal. Some change the scoreboard. Rush Directionality showed where QBs had the most success—left, middle, or right. Red Zone Rushing graded their value in short-yardage chaos. And finally: Rush EPA—expected points added—put a number on how much value they truly generated. This wasn’t about highlight runs. It was about situational damage. That’s what mobility means in the Vault. But creating yards is only half the job. The other half? Protecting them. Let’s talk about turnovers—because execution without security doesn’t last. The Turnovers quadrant used just two metrics—worth 20 points—but they carried weight. First: Total Turnovers. Every interception. Every fumble lost. Then: Turnover-Worthy Plays. Throws that should’ve been picked. Fumbles that a teammate bailed out. Because results can lie—but risk always tells the truth. Execution means protecting the ball—on purpose and by principle. Every quarterback gets pressured. Not every quarterback makes it worse. Sack Discipline used three advanced metrics, worth 30 points, to measure how well a QB avoids negative plays when the pocket breaks down. Sack Rate per Dropback graded how often pressure turned into points for the defense. Pressure-to-Sack Percentage revealed whether the QB escaped—or created his own problem. And Time to Throw added crucial context: was the sack on the line, or on the guy holding the football? It’s not just about avoiding losses. It’s about eliminating them before they begin. — But before we show any scores—let’s make one thing clear: Not every quarterback plays the same game. Some guys, like Joe Burrow, pass on nearly every play. Others, like Lamar Jackson, attack with their legs far more often. So we made the grading fair—for every style. We weighted each quarterback’s passing and rushing scores based on how often they actually passed or ran. If a QB passed the ball 93% of the time, we took 93% of their passing score and 7% of their rushing score. If someone ran 30% of the time, we multiplied their rushing score by that rate. Everything aligned with real play-calling data—not guesses or assumptions. For example: Say Burrow scored 95 points in passing and 40 in rushing. He passed 92% of the time. That gives him 87.4 for passing and 3.2 for rushing—total: 90.6. Now say Lamar scored 80 passing and 85 rushing, with a 68% pass rate. His weighted totals would be 54.4 passing, 27.2 rushing—total: 81.6. That’s just a sample to show how the formula works—not actual Vault scores. Because in the Vault, it’s not about how you should play. It’s about how well you play your game. Four quadrants. Twenty-six metrics. Two hundred and sixty possible points. Passing measured precision, timing, and command. Rushing captured mobility, contact balance, and explosive damage. Turnovers exposed risk, recklessness, and who could be trusted. Sack Discipline showed who turned pressure into poise—and who turned it into points for the other team. Each quadrant stood on its own. But together? They formed the most complete picture of quarterback execution we’ve ever built. The tape is real. The numbers are real. And now—it’s time to see Before we crown the full top 10 execution quarterbacks— Let’s spotlight the QBs who dominated each individual quadrant. Passing: The top 3 in precision, depth, and timing: 1. Patrick Mahomes (92)- creativity, touch, trust in chaos. 2. Joe Burrow (91)- footwork, ball placement, and absolute command. 3. Jared Goff (87)- Trust built production, success within structure not outside it. Rushing: The top 3 in ground damage and improvisation: 1. Jayden Daniel’s (42)- Unmatched explosiveness, elite scramble EPA, and broken tackle magic 2. Lamar Jackson (40)- Broken tackles, big plays, unstoppable in the red zone 3. Josh Allen (34)- Downhill power with red zone finishing ability Turnover Control: The QBs you could trust not to blow it: 1. Jayden Daniel’s (17)- Elite ball security, took risks without recklessness 2. Patrick Mahomes (14.5)- Controlled chaos, trusted windows, avoided traps Tied at 3. Josh Allen (14) and Joe Burrow (14)- Different styles same result: clean tape under pressure Sack Discipline: The 3 best at beating pressure: 1. Patrick Mahomes- extended plays without creating losses 2. Joe Burrow- Trusts timing, throws early, avoids disaster 3. Josh Allen- Elite sack avoidance, lowest pressure to sack percentage, and quick decision making These were the quadrant kings. But consistency across all four is what earns you a spot in the Vault. --- We’ve accounted for every stat. We’ve applied real usage weights to passing and rushing. And now—each quarterback has their final Vault Score, out of 260. Let’s count down the 10 most complete execution quarterbacks from the 2024–25 NFL season. Built on balance. Defined by discipline. Welcome to the top 10. --- #10 – Baker Mayfield (94.0) “He tightened the chaos.” Tamed the wild plays, embraced structure throws, and managed risk better than ever. Earned this spot with just enough discipline and a top-10 passing score. --- #9 – Jalen Hurts (106.0) “Dangerous legs, high-stakes tape.” Top-tier rushing impact and explosive threat—but cost himself with sacks and turnover volatility. The tape swung hard both ways. --- #8 – Jordan Love (107.0) “Started rough. Finished sharp.” Execution jumped post-Thanksgiving: cleaner reads, safer throws, stronger structure. Vault rewards that kind of growth. --- #7 – Jared Goff (119.0) “Surgical in structure.” Third-best passing score in the league. TWP rate near zero. He may not move much—but he moved the offense better than most. --- #6 – C.J. Stroud (133.5) “Second-year poise, veteran control.” Vault top 6 in both passing and sack control. Calm presence, consistent mechanics, and a decision-maker you could trust. --- #5 – Lamar Jackson (146.0) “This was Lamar in full control.” He blended rushing explosion with passing efficiency—and drastically cut back on risk. In fact, if this were only about rushing and passing, Lamar would’ve edged out the top spot I’ve Allen by 1 point. But sack discipline and turnover rate pulled him back just a touch. Still, this was his most polished execution tape in years. — #4 – Patrick Mahomes (147.5) “Less chaos. More control.” Mahomes posted elite scores in three of four quadrants, including the best sack control in football. This was a version of Mahomes that played clean, smart, and within structure—even if the weapons fell short. The wild throws were optional. The precision was permanent. — #3 – Joe Burrow (151.0) “He didn’t need the full season. He just needed rhythm.” Burrow missed time, but when he played, he passed like only Burrow can: footwork, timing, and a near-flawless understanding of pressure. Top 3 in passing. Top 3 in sack discipline. No panic. Just precision. — #2 – Jayden Daniels (152.0) “He played like a five-year vet in year one.” Daniels was the #1 rusher and #1 in turnover avoidance—with enough passing control to hold up against any QB on this list. He delivered value everywhere on the field—and didn’t make the rookie mistakes. Efficiency. Composure. And the best Vault debut we’ve ever scored. — #1 – Josh Allen (156.0) “He didn’t just fix his flaws—he buried them.” Top 3 in three of four quadrants. Allen weaponized his legs, tightened his decision-making, and became the best sack-avoider in football. He didn’t just score points—he erased mistakes. This was Josh Allen’s most complete season of execution. And in the Vault, completeness wins.

The system is designed to make players have to think less on the field which should make them play faster People always talk about 40 times but there is a true difference between game speed and underwear speed Even a player who runs a 4.40 but is not up to speed on the terminology or his role in the play will play slow... Look out of place But a guy who runs a 4.6.. who understands the system and his defined role no matter where it is, is going to look like he plays a lot faster So it's about maximizing what you do good, being able to do it in any personnel to keep the defense on its heels And letting the players play fast because they don't have to think too much about a super complicated play call... Because if you're doing too much thinking you're not playing fast

Just to let you know why I'm asking. It seems to me that Brady is establishing this "everybody eats" system as a true offensive scheme. If the team (for the sake of argument) has a bunch of WR2s, distributing the ball to the correct player becomes pretty important. More so than if you have a Ja'Marr Chase who gets the lion's share. I think his system has a good chance of success. I just wonder how much his doing is and how much is the players responsibility. Espceially Josh's. Thanks for your knowledge and input!

Assclowns are gonna assclown

They're not getting manipulated now. They are covering up the fact that all objective/verifiable information we have about this latest loser assassin shows that he was a religious right nut who'd come under the spell of Trumpy conspiracy peddlers. "Kill list" composed of all Democrats? Hah! That only shows the disinformation network at work. Attended crackpot phony religious university? Yeah, right, that's exactly the fake background they'd create for a lefty Manchurian candidate killer. I will grant you that the line between "embarrassed when one of their own takes their bs seriously and acts on it" and "legitimately believes any nonsense some fool spouts" is blurry these days.

Brian Cox was a joy!!

You believe this guy was trained by the military?? Come on man.

Before they come out for their drive.. they've been looking at the tablet and looking how the defense has been playing them that will give them an idea about how they want to attack them and potentially taking what used to be your second or third read and making it your primary read if that's what the defense is giving you They also have a bird's eye view sitting in the box.. where most offensive coordinators are sitting So they have a good vantage point over the whole field and allows them to see potential soft spots in the defense that are opening up that are tougher to see a ground level.. that alone can influence his play calling throughout a drive if he is able to pinpoint where the defense is getting stretched and during a timeout or potentially quick after the play he can relay some quick nuggets like the shell that they're sitting in

Really well said!! If you aren’t open, it’s hard to get volume. He might be a part time guy and a big play guy.

I get the rules and the hot reads. Both are driven by the players on the field. I see your point about the iPad on the sidelines. I guess I wonder how much the OC can influence the nuances of plays during the drive with what he and his guys are seeing and how he could get the info the players.

There’s really no reason to have a strong opinion on Coleman at this point. He looked like a nice player the first half of the season, then he stunk when he returned from injury. It’s impossible to say for certain what that means for the rest of his career in terms of overall success. There are a few things you can glean from his season, though. He’s clearly capable of making big plays, but unless he figures out how to create separation, he’s not going to be the guy you can count on when you need a play the way you could with Diggs or even Beasley. When you only get 4 targets a game and still have a catch rate of 50%, you’re much more of a complementary piece than a featured receiver.

This is my last basketball post in this topic... I don't want to hijack anymore. To make the playoffs and advance in the NBA, teams absolutely have to play defense and to your point about 3 pointers, defenses know they have to defend the arc so they have more court to defend. If a shooter is left open from the arc, defenders have to closeout on the shooter leaving the entire team vulnerable to a drive. Even if the ball handler isn't someone who finishes at the rim, on a closeout play the shooter has the opportunity to exploit the mid-range. Besides having to be able to defend on the ball, teams now have to also be proficient at switch and help defense. Team defense is much more important and coordinated today than it was in the days of man to man defenses. JMO.

Thanks for reminding me Tyreek and Godwin were very good lol. Here’s some reference for you. # of 1000 yard seasons for the teams that drafted them on that list Robinson - 1 Cooks - 2 Tyreek - 4 Godwin - 4 Woods - 0 Pittman - 2 So really that’s an average of just 2 seasons of 1000+ yards or more out of the best of the best of that list lol. So there’s a 66% chance he never touches 1000 yards once. And then if he’s an average of the BEST of those players, he’ll have 2 1000 yard seasons for the Bills. Ever. So then let’s look at second round WRs in general. to my eye, that % doesn’t look that much different for any random second round WR. So yeah, that 500 yard season is irrelevant. A 30-40% chance of hitting 1000 yards once is basically where he started.

NEITHER of which are even close to the government deciding what truths are allowed to be stated and which aren't. Which is what 44 is calling for. Having the ability to deplatform positions the government finds "inconvenient" is what they really want. And remember, though your favorites propose such things, were they enacted today the guy you can't stand would be the one choosing who the arbiters of truth are. You SURE you're really ok with that?

Yes. Yes it was!