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Is this a game week thread or a pissing match between who’s the better QB?

Yeah not disagreeing with you per se. Just pointing to a different stat. I would say they are more open on average but as poster above said thats because of what Lamar and Henry do. Also I agree on your point about on target %. Fun thing for both teams is they really rely on game script it feels like and thats really the story of the two different games. One team got behind early and couldnt get dig their way out by the end of the game.

Coleman isn't that kind of guy anyways. He wins with physicality, and that's actually probably a more reliable, more durable way to be good as a WR in the NFL in the long run.

Father time is undefeated.

if a quarterback was graded like a lineman or any other position than mistakes shoudl count. time and time again lamar chokes. he's got better, sure but the offense is catered to him and he has had the benefit of great talent all around him. the eye test also shows the truth. he doesn't have good field vision, especially early he woudl tuck and run instead of read the play and execute the reads. the eye test doesn't pass the smell test. he's elite, a great football player and possibly one of the best ever but he is not one of the best qb's ever. he's only among the best in the league right now. but so is burrow, allen, hurts, and a few others.

Vontae Davis in season record still stands.

First Off.. I defend my pukes.. This is a horrible take... Im not sure if you think we will be hurt by week and need WR's or just wishing it... or is it cause you do not like who we have? Davis will be called in well before any phone call is made to Cooper. The dude wants to retire a Raider.. so be it.

@DrDawkinstein what do you think of a less drastic, middle of the road compromise here. I think we can all agree if nothing changes, we need to jump ship before its too late. At the same time barring some crazy talented Coach shaking loose, its a Texas size gamble to hand over the reigns to a brand new unproven HC. I feel like we're too 'pot committed', to use a poker term, to fold the hand right now and start over. What about bringing in some type of advisory role, similar to what Bill Parcells has done for teams. I'm not being specific to him, but dang theres g2 be a coach out there with an itch to feel involved, and/or exhausted with seeing elite playoff games from Allen, get flushed down the toilet. I have a feeling McD is not good at delegating jobs/roles downwards... and isnt doing a sufficient job teaching his Coordinators & Room Coaches, how to prepare. Thats a force multiplier. Maybe a coach who doesn't know how to do that, isn't worthy of a top coaching role period, I dunno. Is he juggling too many pots out of necessity? Or is it obsessive compulsive and he can't help himself. There's not enough hours in the week or weeks in the season to handle that load. Burnout is real, and its anti efficient. Im surprised we haven't heard about McD going out and doing this on his own, even looking for mentorship at the higher coaching skills. Is Andy Reid too competitive to give the guy a hand? Who could fill that role well for Sean?

Said it last year, guy couldn’t have cared less about the game anymore. He felt joy for about two minutes during one of the games.

Basically they're good, but I don;t think you can use them to say Lamar isn't as good as his advanced metrics say. Hell is basic metrics. % on Target doesn't care how open someone is But even then we've SEEN him throw into tight windows!

Yards of separation is what you want. Shakir and Samuel are good for Buff (Kincaid too), but the rest of the WR were bad (coleman was worst in this database). Likely is super high and Andrew is just a tic above Kincaid. Flowers and Batemen are way above other Bills WR though. Mark andrews is the lowest for BAL at 3.6 (big gap for us between Kincaid at 3.5 and the 3 low ones; Hollins, Cooper, Coleman)

And Beane will be in touch by about Week 6 when he needs a WR...again.

Ravens ran for 187 yards per game. so, 271 is, as i said.... a fluke. 113 yards/game for Henry. 53 for Jackson so, reiterate...199 for henry was a fluke. in the regular season where he did not fnish as the best player in the league he did 54 on the ground and 39 in the post season where he turned the ball over twice. in the playoff game henry got 84, which didn't matter because lamar choked and lost the team the game.

People will point to the huge windows he throws into downfield, but that’s also due to him (and Henry).

Hard to know how much the play of football has beat up his body. Maybe just the prospects of another tough year in the NFL was enough to say “I’m out.” At least he did not do this at halftime of a game.

I think Lamar and Allen (in that order) have seperated themselves as the two most complete QBs in the League, and both are elite inside and outside the pocket. Every fall we gotta get through "Lamar Jackson isn't a great passer" and I have no idea what this man has to do to upend that incorrect claim

I agree with you that Lamar is a superior runner. He is electric. But, calling Allen “more of a plodder” is simply ridiculous. Josh definitely doesn’t have Lamar’s quickness. However, his open field speed destroys defenses when he takes off.

Does Mc Clappy post here? Nobody hates him or Bean, but after this many tries, you have to start questioning if the team's leadership can get them over the hump. Bean is equally to blame. IMO 13 seconds should have been a total house cleaning. The team was on fire that season with virtually NO injuries and would have easily won a SB. That was more of a choke than Music City Miracle.

The man threw for over 4100 yards last season while flirting with the best passer rating in league history.

I never saw a dude in the NFL who looked less interested in being a football player.

I’ll pose a final question question/comment (for me): so I crank up the YouTube machine. Totally legit YouTube right? I can watch all 4 episodes of Hard Knocks with the Bills right now (episode 5 is not there yet). If I watch that.. am I stealing from HBO? If I watch all the other content… like old NFL games, ESPN clips, etc. Am I stealing that content as well? How do I know what is legally produced and posted on YouTube and ok for me to watch vs some random dude just posting it without permissions? It’s a bit similar to the streaming live game sites? How do I know which ones are legit? I mean the porn pop ups are usually a tell tale sign… but they’re also a nice bonus. LOL

McD has done well vs. Lamar. It's his record vs. Mahomes/Reid in the playoffs that has been the issue. Until he gets that monkey off his back and slows those guys down, people will call for his head.

I’m up there with you. What section?

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-cushion

That’ll be interesting against the run. I think both teams wanna be physical. He’s got 44 in 6 years as a full time FB. It’s less than I thought. I must’ve mixed him up with ingold. Is worth noting that’s 4 times as many rushes as he has during the same time. Does have almost 90 passer rating when throwing to him. So respectable there too. Pretty funny variance as a receiver. On 64 targets he has 7 TDs and 3 INt.