dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I just watched the game on DVR after a wonderful fall weekend, and this guy puts both the "T" in turnstile and the "F" in false start. He played very, very poorly today. This isn't to excuse anyone else (ahem, Parrish), but he appeared to be the worst Bill today. There were so many terrible Browns players that I can't honestly he was the worst player overall. Btw, that's probably the worst NFL game I've seen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Oh Dave its not that bad...once Bell learns how to count to two and three, he'll be able to lessen his false starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Oh Dave its not that bad...once Bell learns how to count to two and three, he'll be able to lessen his false starts. Ha! Well, given that challenge, he'd better enroll in math class quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Just add it to the list. Head coach, QB, LT, LB, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Madden 2009 was right. He had the worst overall, and we thought he was under-rated... haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. I obviously agree with every word you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The only thing done right this year was locking up Terrence McGee to a long deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. What's even more maddening is watching Brandon Marshall contribute to Denver's 5-0 start. The same Marshall that threw a hissy fit over his contract that put the one that Peters' supposedly threw to shame. Yet, the Denver brain-trust was able to handle it without trading away one of their most talented players. The Bills, not so good in the player-management arena. Remember when Polian could go toe-to-toe with a player and his agent during a contract negotiation, but resolved each dispute without hurting the product on the field? Yeah, those were the days, when NFL professionals actually worked in Ralph's front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 FWIW, Gaines Adams was utterly dominated by Jason Peters today (zero tackles and zero assists). Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The only thing done right this year was locking up Terrence McGee to a long deal And the drafting of Wood. In the long run, I think Wood will be the cornerstone to this OL if they can find 4 other players like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 FWIW, Gaines Adams was utterly dominated by Jason Peters today (zero tackles and zero assists). Just sayin'. Adams is terrible and thought of as a huge bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Adams is terrible and thought of as a huge bust. That's up for debate, but what isn't is Bell's play. He was awful against a bad team. He had a number of blown plays, but his "ole!" move on Edwards' perfect hard play-action fake early in the third killed a big play for the Bills. He was so badly beaten that Edwards had bail out of a good play and throw it away. It was the sort of play that if Bell holds his block for more than 3/10 of a second, Edwards has a chance at a 20 yard play that gets the Bills down to the Browns' 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 That's up for debate, but what isn't is Bell's play. He was awful against a bad team. He had a number of blown plays, but his "ole!" move on Edwards' perfect hard play-action fake early in the third killed a big play for the Bills. He was so badly beaten that Edwards had bail out of a good play and throw it away. It was the sort of play that if Bell holds his block for more than 3/10 of a second, Edwards has a chance at a 20 yard play that gets the Bills down to the Browns' 30. Bell was bad no doubt, but Bell basically shut down the same palyer when we played them. Again, Bell was horrible but I've seen a lot worse o line play and players still make plays (Packers, Steelers). We simply don't have teh guy to elevate the entire team and haven't since Flutie was benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Bell was bad no doubt, but Bell basically shut down the same palyer when we played them. Again, Bell was horrible but I've seen a lot worse o line play and players still make plays (Packers, Steelers). We simply don't have teh guy to elevate the entire team and haven't since Flutie was benched. You mean Bruce Smith and Pat Williams, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. Be fair to Mike; I think I saw him make a play once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 You mean Bruce Smith and Pat Williams, right? I was thinking more at the QB position but those guys won't hurt either. The sad part is we should play football the way the Fins do where your QB is just along for the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I was thinking more at the QB position but those guys won't hurt either. The sad part is we should play football the way the Fins do where your QB is just along for the ride. They'd have to dump the Tampa-2 and play an attacking defense to make that work, not that's it's working now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 They'd have to dump the Tampa-2 and play an attacking defense to make that work, not that's it's working now. I don't know. It's hard to criticize a defense that is down 3 MLBs, 1 corner, both safetys that just limited a team to 3 points and 2 completions. Defense is at the end of the list of problems right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I don't know. It's hard to criticize a defense that is down 3 MLBs, 1 corner, both safetys that just limited a team to 3 points and 2 completions. Defense is at the end of the list of problems right now. Of course they were playing against a high-school QB today. Take a look at the last two weeks, where they were gashed on the ground for 400 yards. To have a game manager as a QB, the defense needs to stop the running game, get off the field on 3rd downs, and turn the ball over. The Bills defense cannot do this for four quarters. They're built too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Of course they were playing against a high-school QB today. Take a look at the last two weeks, where they were gashed on the ground for 400 yards. To have a game manager as a QB, the defense needs to stop the running game, get off the field on 3rd downs, and turn the ball over. The Bills defense cannot do this for four quarters. They're built too small. Don't what to sidetrack the thread but the defense had a bad game and one bad quarter. If we had any type of offense, we are at worst 3-2. We have essentially lost games where our defense has given up 3 and 10 points (3 set up on another Parrish fumble). Guys like Stroud, Williams, etc. are playing their butts off and have nothing to show for it. Our offense is cheating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Don't what to sidetrack the thread but the defense had a bad game and one bad quarter. If we had any type of offense, we are at worst 3-2. We have essentially lost games where our defense has given up 3 and 10 points (3 set up on another Parrish fumble). Guys like Stroud, Williams, etc. are playing their butts off and have nothing to show for it. Our offense is cheating them. They are what their record says they are. Either on offense or defense, the team doesn't make enough plays. There's a ton of blame to spread around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Adams is terrible and thought of as a huge bust. Peters is great and thought of to be a Pro Bowl LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. Oddly he played pretty well in game 1 because teams didn't realize how easy he was to bull-rush. Since then, he's blocked like a WR. Damn your Mike Mamula reference. The Philly sports radio station, once it was clear Mamula was a bust (after game 1), used to play the traditional Hallelujah music to his name and I can't ever think about him without hearing it. He stayed in Philly for 3-4 years and was a poster boy for failure every one of those years. After reading that Blind Side book, I hope Oher is a stud. He's not perfect but he overcame a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I just watched the game on DVR after a wonderful fall weekend, and this guy puts both the "T" in turnstile and the "F" in false start. He played very, very poorly today. This isn't to excuse anyone else (ahem, Parrish), but he appeared to be the worst Bill today. There were so many terrible Browns players that I can't honestly he was the worst player overall. Btw, that's probably the worst NFL game I've seen in my lifetime. I was yelling at him to block anybody, even one of our guys....just block somebody... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked. The Bills front office, led me to believe he was going to be good. And Bills fans everywhere acted like he was going to be the next Jason Peters...the same way they thought Langston Walker would do just fine at LT after his 4 game stint there last year. Keep drinking the cool aid guys, then B word when it doesn't work out. Ralph and company are laughing all the way to the bank with the money they saved from paying for a decent LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked. The Bills front office, led me to believe he was going to be good. And Bills fans everywhere acted like he was going to be the next Jason Peters...the same way they thought Langston Walker would do just fine at LT after his 4 game stint there last year. Keep drinking the cool aid guys, then B word when it doesn't work out. Ralph and company are laughing all the way to the bank with the money they saved from paying for a decent LT. Let me guess, you're blaming the fans, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The whole offensive line sucks, if they aren't jumping off sides, they are letting people thru to the quarterback like the dam broke loose. Hangartner might be right up there with the worst free agent signings this team has had in years. He can't block, alot of his snaps hit the ground and he jumps offsides alot too. Just like I was saying before the season started, we have the worst O-Line in the NFL, and alot more people agree with me now, and there are less severely overly optimistic people on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Bell, as has been previously mentioned, was a 2 year project. That is if he even would ever become anything as an OT. They were looking to strike gold in the 7th round and the guy is so overmatched. And to think, the team pushed him off as the next great LT. All of the concerns from knowledgeable fans about a disaster of an OL has come to fruition. They are bad and regressing, like so much of this entire franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Let me guess, you're blaming the fans, too? I'm not blaming the fans. I'm just saying don't be so quick to run guys like Peters outta town. Now people are calling for Trent's head. Something is clearly wrong with this team, and many fans want to say that it's because one player or another is at fault. Remember, how London Fletcher was run out becuase he wasn't an attacking LB, or how Pat Williams was let go (many fans supported this) because he only played 50% of the snaps. Each an eveyr step of the way, OBD feeds us the cool-aid, and now we're bitching about the results. The problem with the Bills is a combo of things all stemming from the front office. who the hell blows up their O-line before a make or break season? Who extends a head coach 5 games into the season. Who drafts a 240lb DE for a 4-3 scheme? Who hires a 3 O-coordinators in a row that have 0 NFL playcalling experience? OBD does enough to sell hope, and that's about it...if you buy it early, then you must live with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm not blaming the fans. I'm just saying don't be so quick to run guys like Peters outta town. Now people are calling for Trent's head. Something is clearly wrong with this team, and many fans want to say that it's because one player or another is at fault. Remember, how London Fletcher was run out becuase he wasn't an attacking LB, or how Pat Williams was let go (many fans supported this) because he only played 50% of the snaps. Each an eveyr step of the way, OBD feeds us the cool-aid, and now we're bitching about the results. The problem with the Bills is a combo of things all stemming from the front office. who the hell blows up their O-line before a make or break season? Who extends a head coach 5 games into the season. Who drafts a 240lb DE for a 4-3 scheme? Who hires a 3 O-coordinators in a row that have 0 NFL playcalling experience? OBD does enough to sell hope, and that's about it...if you buy it early, then you must live with the results. Ok fair enough but you are saying we are running players out of town. We don't make these decisions, just have opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Ok fair enough but you are saying we are running players out of town. We don't make these decisions, just have opinions. When the front office cares more about selling season tix than it does winning games, fan opinions count for a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. I agree, it's all Ralph...it seems to be only about money at this point . And if the head coach is not fired, then that will prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 FWIW, Gaines Adams was utterly dominated by Jason Peters today (zero tackles and zero assists). Just sayin'. Time to get over it buddy. He didn't want to be here and the Bills were never going to pay him. And dominating a complete bust is hardly a barometer for a LT. Adams didn't have a sack or a hit on Edwards when the Bills played him either. The problem with the Oline started when Butler went down and we decided to stay with Scott/Chambers. Because of your HARD ON for Peters, you probably didn't notice the Oline playing pretty well during the first 2 games. Butler goes down and it looks like a different Oline. The loss of Schouman hurt also because he is a solid blocker who was left in to help with pass blocking on many plays. Now the Bills have the dynamic combo of Chambers/Scott and a TE who played WR in college trying to pass block. So if you think that Peters would make a bit of difference right now with all of the injuries then all you're trying to do is point out the fact that you were "right" about Peters. I'll say it so you can shut up about it, YOU ARE RIGHT, PETERS IS BETTER THAN BELL. THE OLINE WOULD BE BETTER WITH PETERS AT LT! YOU ARE BRILLIANT! But Bell would still be at RT in this scenerio, so are you saying that Peters would be able to play both Right and Left Tackle? Because if he was able to do that then he would truly be worth 11 mill per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Just add it to the list. Head coach, QB, LT, LB, etc. Don't forget GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Time to get over it buddy. He didn't want to be here and the Bills were never going to pay him. And dominating a complete bust is hardly a barometer for a LT. Adams didn't have a sack or a hit on Edwards when the Bills played him either. The problem with the Oline started when Butler went down and we decided to stay with Scott/Chambers. Because of your HARD ON for Peters, you probably didn't notice the Oline playing pretty well during the first 2 games. Butler goes down and it looks like a different Oline. The loss of Schouman hurt also because he is a solid blocker who was left in to help with pass blocking on many plays. Now the Bills have the dynamic combo of Chambers/Scott and a TE who played WR in college trying to pass block. So if you think that Peters would make a bit of difference right now with all of the injuries then all you're trying to do is point out the fact that you were "right" about Peters. I'll say it so you can shut up about it, YOU ARE RIGHT, PETERS IS BETTER THAN BELL. THE OLINE WOULD BE BETTER WITH PETERS AT LT! YOU ARE BRILLIANT! But Bell would still be at RT in this scenerio, so are you saying that Peters would be able to play both Right and Left Tackle? Because if he was able to do that then he would truly be worth 11 mill per. I think the problem people have is that the Bills didn't have a viable plan when they traded Peters. They cut Walker right before the season and replaced him with a raw and inexperienced player. Why didn't they bring in a veteran ? Did they really think that Bell was the solution? If they did, then they all need to find a new profession. But as usual, it's all about the money with Ralph. Walker is a better right tackle than Chambers. So why is Chambers here and not Walker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm shocked that a guy who started playing less than 5 years ago, got about 10% of the reps in camp, and has been injured on and off is struggling. There isn't a team in the NFL that would go into a season with the guy as a backup, much less a starter. It's just maddening that these seemingly simple details to the rest of the football world continue to elude the "braintrust" at OBD. We could have set 3 OLine positions on this team for a decade when Oher fell to us at 11. A gift from the heavens,, much the same way the Oilers built their vaunted OLine back in the day. Instead we pick Mike Mamula. You suck, Ralph. You totally suck. We took Maybin instead since we needed another undersized DE with high motor. Blame the FO on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Peters is great and thought of to be a Pro Bowl LT Get over the we should have kept peters stuff already. He made it impossible to sign him and was a cancer for the team. Should we have done more to address LT YES but Peters was not the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 What's even more maddening is watching Brandon Marshall contribute to Denver's 5-0 start. The same Marshall that threw a hissy fit over his contract that put the one that Peters' supposedly threw to shame. Yet, the Denver brain-trust was able to handle it without trading away one of their most talented players. The Bills, not so good in the player-management arena. Remember when Polian could go toe-to-toe with a player and his agent during a contract negotiation, but resolved each dispute without hurting the product on the field? Yeah, those were the days, when NFL professionals actually worked in Ralph's front office. good post. peters was a pain in the butt, but he was a top 10 left tackle and should have been paid or at least forced to play out his contract this year while a replacement was sought.. OBD blew that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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